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A highway is, as said, not exclusively a motorway, but moreoften any major road. An intersection is also not an interchange. The problem is that, especially Dutchmen, usually refer to a "highway" when they mean a motorway/freeway type of road.
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I added some to the first post.
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Free of encroaching properties. It is a legal term, first introduced in California.
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The language is different in Sydney New South Wales: just as previous correspondents have pointed out; West coast & East-coast USA have their differences, too. Outside the metropolitan area, well maybe they are Motorways: or "Divided Highways" (implying that they have a median strip). At any rate, Highways are not just connecting roads, but roads declared and gazetted by the State Government as being of particular importance: and maintained by the State, as against the local council. Roads here fall into a hierarchy: M (for motorway, even if we don't call them that), which implies they have no at-grade intersections, etc., and comply in general with what you've been talking about, then three categories A, B & C, which don't necessarily indicate the condition of the road, but its significance. There are countless unclassified roads as well. The A1 goes pretty much all around Australia: About 20,000 Km all up. At times it becomes the M1, when it becomes a freeway (or a tollway); around the Gulf of Carpenteria (as just National Route 1) it isn't even bitumenized. The B100- which winds past me- is in places a 2X2 divided highway; in places a 2-lane road which clings to cliffs with speed restrictions down to 40 kph & U-turns prohibited: it is the B100 because it is a major tourist route: the "Great Ocean Road", with many signs along it to remind visitors from overseas to drive on the right (that is the left!) side of the road. |
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While Victoria has no "Motorways", this is not the case north of the border, in New South Wales, since in Sydney there are both "Motorways" & ""Freeways": all I can say is that there are no tolls on the Freeways. In Brisbane Queensland, the main (divided) route north (2x2, with shoulders) is a highway (M1), whereas the same route south (M1) is a motorway. In Brisbane, there are no "freeways", even if they're free. Moreover, there are substantial lengths of "motorway" that are, it seems, undivided ... that is, a single road-way. |
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I have a question, I hope it's the correct thread to post it. In some official documents I've seen that some expressways are intended to be transformed in future in motorways. My question is the following: how can someone transform an expressway into a motorway.
The standard expressway in Romania: 2x7m carriageway; 1,50m median; 2x1,50m hard shoulders (of which 2x0,75m-bordering band from the same material as the carriageway and 2x0,75m-hard shoulder without asphalt) TOTAL road platform=18,50m The standard motorway in Romania Nr.1: 2x7,50m carriageway; 3m median; 4x0,50 guidance lanes (2 on each side of each carriageway); 2x2,50m emergency lanes; 2x0,50m hard shoulders TOTAL road platform=26,00m The standard motorway in Romania Nr.2: 2x7,50m carriageway; 4m median; 2x3,50m hard shoulders (2x2,50m stopping lane, 2x0,50m hard strip, 2x0,50m verge) TOTAL road platform=26,00m In conclusion I repeat my question how can an expressway become later a motorway? (we are not speaking here of junctions or other criteria) Waiting for your opinions...
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'M' ≠ motorway
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That said, it doesn't stop it being used just as a type of road naming. |
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Motorways, expressways and freeways are not always the same. In the UK, a motorway is a road defined by certain standards and regulations, so it's clear what roads are motorways and what roads aren't. The term freeway is not really used in the UK and is often seen as American for motorway, but expressway is often used for an large road with grade separation. The A55, for example, is known as the North Wales Expressway, although it is not a motorway.
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What a motorway is in England, is an Expressway in China, and a freeway in the US. So they DO mean the same, only on national level they can differ, or having additional legal status.
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But an expressway in England could be the same as a freeway in America as America does not have the concept of Motorway regulated roads, like Europe does), but no mean Autobahn or Autoroute.
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That's because definitions are vague, or became the same overtime. Like in the past, there was a significant difference between Autovía's and Autopista's in Spain. Nowadays, the only difference is the number of exits, and the fact that Autopista's are toll roads.
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I think they CAN mean the same, but not necessarily. Also, the Chinese aren't the ones to define the English language. The terms "expressway" and "motorway" are both used in the UK, and they don't mean the same. Also, the terms "expressway" and "freeway" are both used in the US, and again, they don't mean the same. That's what I think about this.
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Honestly if you actually use the word "motorway" in United States, people would call you crazy or they would ask if you are a tourist. Terms in US and Canada are usually: Route-##, Highway ##, State-##, and Interstate ##.
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Your claim dissents which all scientific research I ever read about this subject. How can you say it would be generally accepted.
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I think that that's more a problem of capacity reducing objects on the 2 lane road, like roundabouts, traffic lights and steeper hills/curves etc, rather than the one-lane-per-direction layout. I don't think a freeflowing one lane per direction road has a significant lower capacity per lane than one lane on a motorway.
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One reason for the difference could be that on two lane roads with high traffic, there is no possibility of passing slower vehicles, and these types of roads thus typically have some jammed sections even if there are large gaps in traffic at other places. Edit: The British road authorities seems to agree with the Norwegians, check page 3 of this document. Last edited by 54°26′S 3°24′E; May 30th, 2008 at 01:13 PM. |
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The Highway Capacity Manual (published by the Transportation Research Board in the USA) has a detailed explanation of the Level of Service concept. |
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As others have pointed out, this is not correct. It would be otiose to rehearse all the reasons, so I'll just explain how I try to use those terms before an international audience of English speakers:
* Motorway refers to a comprehensively grade-separated road without frontage access which is legally specialized for use by motor vehicles. If I am talking about a road of this description in Europe, Asia, or Africa, motorway is the term I will use. In the Americas, I will use the term freeway. In Australia, I will use either motorway or freeway according to how the road is described locally (e.g. Hume Freeway in Melbourne, or Coast Motorway in Sydney & environs). * Expressway has something like 20 different definitions based on local usage. For an international audience of English speakers, expressway is the term I will use if: (1) that is the accepted local name (or English translation thereof) for the road type (e.g. Chinese expressways, which are actually toll motorways); or (2) I wish to refer to a type of divided highway which is inferior to motorways and not necessarily comprehensively grade-separated but is specialized for use by through traffic (e.g. "main A-roads" like the A55 in North Wales). If the expressway is comprehensively grade-separated, and it is relevant, I will also add that it has been developed to full freeway or motorway standard (not that it is a freeway or motorway). * Freeway is basically the same as motorway except a freeway does not necessarily have to be specialized for use by motor vehicles. In many, but not all, US states they are. I do not believe it is true that the term freeway originated in California. The term was coined in 1930 by Edward M. Bassett, an American planner, and free refers to the absence of frontage access rather than to the absence of tolls (indeed, the US has many tolled freeways, which are often called turnpikes in the eastern half of the country and tollways elsewhere). In fact, in southern California freeways were actually called parkways until the early 1950's. Where expressway is concerned, some peculiarities are worth noting. * In some US states, the state DOT may speak about building a two-lane expressway. Clearly the DOT engineers do not mean that they are building an expressway according to the AASHTO definition (divided highway with some but not total limitation of access). Generally what they are proposing is a relocation of an existing two-lane state highway, which is specialized for through traffic (hence "express") and is intended to have generous geometry and limitation of access to major intersections only. * Conversely, in some US states highways have been widened to four-lane divided in rural areas but have no access control and are blighted by frequent stoplights. These are not expressways except in the limited sense of having a divided-highway cross-section. Often, to distinguish them from divided highways with some control of access, which are intended to benefit through traffic, they are called "divided rural arterials" or similar. These arterials are popular in Southern states because they can be built relatively cheaply. |
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