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Old August 14th, 2005, 06:37 PM   #241
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but it will do little in solving traffic congestion.
look at the before and after. It will do a lot
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Old August 15th, 2005, 12:22 AM   #242
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Oh come'on give us a break with the whole "UK is better than the whole Europe & USA" bullshit. You've obviously never drived in Europe.
I'm getting tried of typical British felling "the whole Europe sucks except us, the mighty Brits".
Couldn't agree more.
That's the reason why many continental Europeans would feel much better without them.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 12:54 AM   #243
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I'm a European and I didn't have the opportunity to drive US highways, but from what I see, I would be glad to have one of those 5 stack highway(like that Dallas high five one) interchanges in my country anytime.
I'm so sick of those clover leafs like that Danish one somewhere down this thread.
To me these 5 stacks are real pieces of art, but you know Europeans in general have a psychic problem admitting this to Americans.
About road quality, can't judge but have the impression European roads are better. Although there are big differences between countries.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 01:19 AM   #244
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you can drive 50-60mph(faster if you have a car with great handling) on those ramps, it is much faster then a cloverleaf and you get quite a view
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Old August 15th, 2005, 01:21 AM   #245
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/\ You know some people do not actually like to see their cities filled with these massive gray concrete pillars. I would at any time rather have one of these well intergrated cloverleafs that you hate so much. Or even better, build it underground if it's in a city.

I've driven through some of these huge stacks in the states, and they are surely impressive. None European highways can compete with that in, ehhh "impressiveness" (?). But pretty they ain't...atleast not in my book.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 02:56 AM   #246
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I hate cloverleafs because they are so inefficient, they create a lot more pollution then a stack.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 03:01 AM   #247
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ok i dont think cloverleafs create any more pollution than a stack, but they are less speed efficient, as you have to slow down too much. but i dont like one more than the other, i think they both have their charm.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 04:36 AM   #248
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more cars sitting in traffic for a longer time creates more pollution, if the High 5 interchange was a cloverleaf it would create more pollution.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 05:22 AM   #249
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USA highways vs European Highways would be much better as say North America vs Europe. The facts are plain, USA and Europe have similar total road mass, but the USA is 3x bigger and 4x less popolous, thus USA obviously wins easily, think about it its not that hard.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 05:51 AM   #250
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California has a real excuse, though -- the density of cars and the landscape are untypical for the US. However, when you drive over potholes in the lightly populated North of America, especially in Upstate NY, you really wonder why the standards are so low.
Thats a pretty antiamerican comment!
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explain to me whats antiamerican about that comment! I'm european, act and think of myself as being european, but born and lived my whole life in SF. lemme tell you, for a country with a per capita GDP as high as the US, US roads ARE terrible! the standards are better in Romania! chiccoplease's comment is entirely factual and true!
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Old August 15th, 2005, 08:28 AM   #252
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USA highways vs European Highways would be much better as say North America vs Europe. The facts are plain, USA and Europe have similar total road mass, but the USA is 3x bigger and 4x less popolous, thus USA obviously wins easily, think about it its not that hard.
how bout YOU put some thought into it:

im gonna make it STUPIDLY SIMPLE:

FIRST numbers are km of highways, SECOND is the geographic size of the country, THIRD is size of economy!

US= 6,400,000 km of highway : 3,700,000 sq. miles : $12 Trillion economy
US= 5:3:1

Germany= 230,000 km of highway : 120,000 sq. miles : $3 Trillion economy
Germany= 8:4:1

France= 900,000 km of highway : 200,000 sq. miles : $2 Trillion economy
France= 45:10:1

UK= 400,000 km of highway : 100,000 sq. miles : $2 Trillion economy
UK= 20:5:1

Italy= 500,000 km of highway : 100,000 sq miles : $2 Trillion Economy
Italy= 25:5:1

i put the economy size in like terms, to see which country has the most highways from the same amount of money.

from these numbers, it is EASY to see that all 4 of the european countries cover MORE land with EVEN MORE HIGHWAYS than the US does.

france in particular cover more than 3 times as much space with NINE TIMES AS MANY KM'S OF HIGHWAYS as the US does.

so, no, buddy, the US doesnt "obviously win easily."
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Old August 15th, 2005, 08:58 AM   #253
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more cars sitting in traffic for a longer time creates more pollution, if the High 5 interchange was a cloverleaf it would create more pollution.
If pollution is what worries you, you might want to start looking at other things like better public transportation systems instead.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 10:32 AM   #254
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how bout YOU put some thought into it:

im gonna make it STUPIDLY SIMPLE:

FIRST numbers are km of highways, SECOND is the geographic size of the country, THIRD is size of economy!

US= 6,400,000 km of highway : 3,700,000 sq. miles : $12 Trillion economy
US= 5:3:1

Germany= 230,000 km of highway : 120,000 sq. miles : $3 Trillion economy
Germany= 8:4:1

France= 900,000 km of highway : 200,000 sq. miles : $2 Trillion economy
France= 45:10:1

UK= 400,000 km of highway : 100,000 sq. miles : $2 Trillion economy
UK= 20:5:1

Italy= 500,000 km of highway : 100,000 sq miles : $2 Trillion Economy
Italy= 25:5:1

i put the economy size in like terms, to see which country has the most highways from the same amount of money.

from these numbers, it is EASY to see that all 4 of the european countries cover MORE land with EVEN MORE HIGHWAYS than the US does.

france in particular cover more than 3 times as much space with NINE TIMES AS MANY KM'S OF HIGHWAYS as the US does.

so, no, buddy, the US doesnt "obviously win easily."

There must be some statistical interpretation problem. Germany has in no way only half as much highways as Britain. First the populatioin of the country is much bigger and second there is alot of transit traffic going through Germany. Almost all north-south and east-west traffic has to use the german highway system.

I think the term highway has different meanings in different countries. And beside that it says nothing about capacity.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 06:26 PM   #255
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If pollution is what worries you, you might want to start looking at other things like better public transportation systems instead.
If you don't what your talking about don't bother posting. PT won't eliminate the need for it there is a rail line that runs next to the North-South freeway(high 5) and there is a stop at that interhcange. The train is normally packed with commuters during rush hour.

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I would like a source and that says nothing about the quality of the freeways or if they count highways.

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Old August 15th, 2005, 08:14 PM   #256
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its a wonderful source called CIA.gov. and don't complain how its inaccurate, trust me, ITS ACCURATE.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 09:39 PM   #257
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If you don't what your talking about don't bother posting. PT won't eliminate the need for it there is a rail line that runs next to the North-South freeway(high 5) and there is a stop at that interhcange. The train is normally packed with commuters during rush hour.
Well I know that most big european cities have public transportation systems that are superior to what you see in most American cities, which means we don't need these huge jumbo highways/stacks in the cities. But that's a totally different storey...
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Old August 15th, 2005, 09:45 PM   #258
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I don't care abotu how many miles of highway each country, cause each county has enough, and God knows the US has more than enough highways already, imo.

in terms of quality of highways, the US has plenty, yes plenty, of highways that are as good as European hiighways. And Europe has plent of highways as deplorable as the US. With Europe having more high quality roads, for obvious reasons stated before. But to tell you the truth, most US highways are just fine.





But again, I will say, in terms of complexity, connectivity, sheer volume and size, the wonderful energy you feel, and civil engineering at it's loveliest, it's obviuosly the US, it's undeniable











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Old August 15th, 2005, 09:55 PM   #259
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Each American city has scores of great, elaborate interchanges that boggle the mind, but here are just a few from LA
















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Old August 15th, 2005, 09:57 PM   #260
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