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Old April 14th, 2006, 01:47 AM   #481
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I'm actually on Hillcroft, but I don't bother with that exit. Those red lights keep me waiting until the Year of the Rooster.

Beautiful, inefficient infrastructure:

If it were ineffecient, the US economy would be likewise given that infrastructure is a large component in long run aggregate supply.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:00 AM   #482
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You've gone too far and have exposed your pathetic anti-american disposition. Fact is, its infrastructure is anything but pathetic. You can't blame us for not having railroad travel, when it is well known that it simply isn't feasible. Our infrastructure follows our needs, and obvioulsy it has done one heck of a job. Congress just passed a highway bill valued at $100 billion, which is more than the GDP of most nations.
I thought it was $280 billion?
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If it were ineffecient, the US economy would be likewise given that infrastructure is a large component in long run aggregate supply.
The picture is only an illustration of rush hour traffic. The economy functions just fine during the other 20 hours of the day, when trucks and UPS vans and the whatnot can cruise along freely.

Highway networks in the US are efficient on the aggregate whole, just not for the individual heading to work.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:10 AM   #483
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The picture is only an illustration of rush hour traffic. The economy functions just fine during the other 20 hours of the day, when trucks and UPS vans and the whatnot can cruise along freely.

Highway networks in the US are efficient on the aggregate whole, just not for the individual heading to work.
Are you telling me there are no traffic jams in Europe? Madrid, in my personal experience, is not much better than any normal US city, even though it has one of the greatest public transportation networks in the world.
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Highways are probably more widespread in the US. Europe though doesnt need them as much. The public transport is just better in Europe.

Theres other Infrastructures too. One exampe is sewers. Another is dikes and dams, and we all know that they arent too good in the US.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:27 AM   #485
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Are you telling me there are no traffic jams in Europe? Madrid, in my personal experience, is not much better than any normal US city, even though it has one of the greatest public transportation networks in the world.
In Europe people have an alternative to traffic jams, at least in most urban areas. Here, good luck.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:29 AM   #486
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Are you telling me there are no traffic jams in Europe? Madrid, in my personal experience, is not much better than any normal US city, even though it has one of the greatest public transportation networks in the world.
Your post is so hypocritical. You state that Madrid is
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The Irony of this post.

Or on which count? Transportation?

So you are suggesting Madrid which has "one of the greatest public transportation networks in the world" is not better than any Normal US City?
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:31 AM   #487
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EU is way better. I live in the States I know and I've been to 10 European countries.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:44 AM   #488
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Highways are probably more widespread in the US. Europe though doesnt need them as much. The public transport is just better in Europe.

Theres other Infrastructures too. One exampe is sewers. Another is dikes and dams, and we all know that they arent too good in the US.
and levees
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Old April 14th, 2006, 02:57 AM   #489
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Cheap shots against New Orleans and generalizations about American dikes and dams? What a bunch of turd burglars.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:10 AM   #490
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I'm actually on Hillcroft, but I don't bother with that exit. Those red lights keep me waiting until the Year of the Rooster.
hillcroft is still pretty close and that transtar map reminds me how much houston traffic sucks. 59 south is a real drag during rush hour.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:34 AM   #491
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In Europe people have an alternative to traffic jams, at least in most urban areas. Here, good luck.
Not if you live outside the city-center, which many do.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:36 AM   #492
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Your post is so hypocritical. You state that Madrid is


and you admit Madrid has


The Irony of this post.

Or on which count? Transportation?

So you are suggesting Madrid which has "one of the greatest public transportation networks in the world" is not better than any Normal US City?
I am saying its traffic jams and congestion are just as bad. Yes, indeed. Ask anyone who lives there, and they will tell you that traffic is terrible.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:42 AM   #493
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Theres other Infrastructures too. One exampe is sewers. Another is dikes and dams, and we all know that they arent too good in the US.
Lets see how any other city can survive with a Cat 4 hurricane and an old levee created 100 years ago! How are dams not good here? Hoover Dam is one of the most impressive in the world, and well ahead of its time.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:56 AM   #494
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Cheap shots against New Orleans and generalizations about American dikes and dams? What a bunch of turd burglars.
yes, absolutely, I'm going to generalize. The US has demostrated it puts little money into building world-class infrastructure and even less care in maintaining after its built. New orleans levees are the prime example of American ignorance and slopiness. it is ABSOLUTELY a fair example. new orleans was an American icon and extremely important to the United States. Face it; it was. Don't say it was able to afford being poorly protected because it was unimportant, because it was a major port and brought enormous tourism revenues to the region.

The entire area was home to over 500,000 people. it was protected by walls of soil. SOIL. in other areas, it was simply slabs of conrete lined up side-to-side.

a staple of American culture, protected by something 3 year olds build in a sandbox. whichever way you turn it, that was unacceptable.

had the govt acted, all the people could have been saved, but they intentionally let the immobile and impoverished African American population in harms way, BUT THATS A SEPERATE STORY ALTOGETHER.

anyways back to the levees:


Here's how the British hold back the waters from flooding London:



And the Dutch solution to protecting an entire nation that mostly rests below sea level:



The Italians are defending their city on the sea, Venice:



And...
Here's how the richest, most powerful and technologically advanced
nation on earth protected against the long-forecasted flooding of New Orleans




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Lets see how any other city can survive with a Cat 4 hurricane and an old levee created 100 years ago! How are dams not good here? Hoover Dam is one of the most impressive in the world, and well ahead of its time.
THATS ONE ITEM!!!! THAT DOESNT MEAN USA HAS GOOD DAMS. the rest of the US's could be built just as good by a well-motivated beaver.

IF SOMALIA BUILT THE MOST MODERN EXPRESSWAY IN THE WORLD, BUT IT WAS ONLY 5 KM LONG, THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS HIGHWAYS ARE GOOD!!!!!!
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:02 AM   #496
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THATS ONE ITEM!!!! THAT DOESNT MEAN USA HAS GOOD DAMS. the rest of the US's could be built just as good by a well-motivated beaver.

IF SOMALIA BUILT THE MOST MODERN EXPRESSWAY IN THE WORLD, BUT IT WAS ONLY 5 KM LONG, THAT DOESNT MEAN ITS HIGHWAYS ARE GOOD!!!!!!
And who are you to say that the US doesn't have good dams? Rest assured, it does.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:07 AM   #497
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yes, absolutely, I'm going to generalize. The US has demostrated it puts little money into building world-class infrastructure and even less care in maintaining after its built. New orleans levees are the prime example of American ignorance and slopiness. it is ABSOLUTELY a fair example. new orleans was an American icon and extremely important to the United States. Face it; it was. Don't say it was able to afford being poorly protected because it was unimportant, because it was a major port and brought enormous tourism revenues to the region.

The entire area was home to over 500,000 people. it was protected by walls of soil. SOIL. in other areas, it was simply slabs of conrete lined up side-to-side.

a staple of American culture, protected by something 3 year olds build in a sandbox. whichever way you turn it, that was unacceptable.

had the govt acted, all the people could have been saved, but they intentionally let the immobile and impoverished African American population in harms way, BUT THATS A SEPERATE STORY ALTOGETHER.

as much as i would like to disagree, i can't. we americans prefer to put our tax dollars towards things like cruise missiles and fighter planes rather than clean up new orleans.
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I feel sorry for the US for having a sprawl culture. Sooner or later the issue of sustainability will come to haunt this great nation.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 04:08 AM   #499
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as much as i would like to disagree, i can't. we americans prefer to put our tax dollars towards things like cruise missiles and fighter planes rather than clean up new orleans.
Yeah, I guess those $80 billion allocated for relief means absolutely nothing
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hahaha Lee I know I am such an anti-American and I hate Americans so much that I live in San Diego and I was born in NYC. HAHAHAA
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