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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:52 AM   #541
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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:56 AM   #542
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What a childish post. Especially because NAFTA and the EU are just as comparable as the USA versus the EU.
u just proved my point... the USA alone as a country still holds weight against 25 wannabe superpowers put together
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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:57 AM   #543
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u just proved my point... the USA alone as a country still holds weight against 25 wannabe superpowers put together


Where in Jesusland are you from?
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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:59 AM   #544
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Madrid makes just about anyone look silly.

Look Toronto has a yearly ridership of over 430 million. For a city of 2.5 million that is pretty good. I don't know the numbers for the metro.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 06:59 AM   #545
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i think i will do us all a favor and put this thread out of its misery. it's an EU vs. US thread.
thats what it was all about anyways... in guise of discussing infrastructure of course
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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:01 AM   #546
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Infrastructure goes with density, so EU wins.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:01 AM   #547
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Madrid makes just about anyone look silly.

Look Toronto has a yearly ridership of 430 million. For a city of 2.5 million that is pretty good. I don't know the numbers for the metro.
Agreed.

I think that especially by North American standards, Toronto is certainly up there with New York in terms of the quality and quantity of its infrastructure. I just think we need to move beyond our North American standards and start emulating what other countries do.

That was my only point, don't take it as I was knocking Canada or Toronto.
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Where in Jesusland are you from?
Staten Island, NY


so you wanna speak infrastructure, not only highways? well come visit my city and tell me that americans don't have a lick of infrastructure.... especially in a city where some workers don't even see daylight from working underground tunnels, aqueducts, etc...
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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:03 AM   #549
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Infrastructure goes with density, so EU wins.
this is very true also.
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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:04 AM   #550
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so you wanna speak infrastructure, not only highways? well come visit my city and tell me that americans don't have a lick of infrastructure.... especially in a city where some workers don't even see daylight from working underground tunnels, aqueducts, etc...
Should have let you secede and move to Jersey. Now that our trash dump is closed, little need to keep a little swath of suburbia that pretends to be part of the urban fabric of NYC.



In all seriousness, how can you, like me, be a New Yorker and try to argue that our infrastructure is remotely comparable to Europe's? You know just like I know that our city is an island within the American sea of highways and SUVs.


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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:10 AM   #551
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so you wanna speak infrastructure, not only highways? well come visit my city and tell me that americans don't have a lick of infrastructure.... especially in a city where some workers don't even see daylight from working underground tunnels, aqueducts, etc...
new york by population = 8-9% of population of the US
new york by size = 0.00008% of the US (seriously it is)

so you know what nysgreg, its fine and dandy that NYC has good infrastructure.

about 90% of the rest of the US doesnt.

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Old April 14th, 2006, 07:11 AM   #552
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new york by population = 8-9% of population of the US
new york by size = 0.00008% of the US (seriously it is)

so you know what nysgreg, its fine and dandy that NYC has good infrastructure.

about 90% of the rest of the US doesnt.



BTW, I hope you mean the metro area right?
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donqui, dont worry about nysgreg, he's probably never left his island.
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BTW, I hope you mean the metro area right?
yes of course. cause nyc itself would be EVEN smaller LOL
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Should have let you secede and move to Jersey. Now that our trash dump is closed, little need to keep a little swath of suburbia that pretends to be part of the urban fabric of NYC.



In all seriousness, how can you, like me, be a New Yorker and try to argue that our infrastructure is remotely comparable to Europe's? You know just like I know that our city is an island within the American sea of highways and SUVs.

because it is in our blood to argue :P
tell me you've never argued with a cabbie on the fastest way to get from point a to point b???
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donqui, dont worry about nysgreg, he's probably never left his island.
Impossible, no way that Staten Island is self-sufficient.

But you bring up an interesting point. Curiously, those people that go on and on about US superiority (in general, but we are talking abot infrastructure here) are actually the ones who have never ventured beyond our borders to see how other countries approach their infrastructure problems. I have been to London, I have been to Madrid, I have been to Paris, I have been to Barcelona, and Toronto, and Montreal. And each of those cities has infrastructure that would make US cities of comparable size weep in terms of quality and diversity of infrastructure.
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donqui, dont worry about nysgreg, he's probably never left his island.
ASSume all you want... lived in east NY which is where? oh thats right BROOKLYN and also lived in south ozone park.... where is that again??? oh thats right QUEENS...

oh yeah... I never leave the island but I gotta take the ferry almost daily to battery park right?


don't hate because you can't even afford to pay the $9 toll on the verrazzano
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because it is in our blood to argue :P
tell me you've never argued with a cabbie on the fastest way to get from point a to point b???



of course ppl argue with cabbies. all ppl with mouths do. not just newyorkers.
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ASSume all you want... lived in east NY which is where? oh thats right BROOKLYN and also lived in south ozone park.... where is that again??? oh thats right QUEENS...

oh yeah... I never leave the island but I gotta take the ferry almost daily to battery park right?


don't hate because you can't even afford to pay the $9 toll on the verrazzano
you cant afford $50 dollars to cross all the bridges in the bay area either buddy.

or our $3.50 gas.

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Impossible, no way that Staten Island is self-sufficient.

But you bring up an interesting point. Curiously, those people that go on and on about US superiority (in general, but we are talking abot infrastructure here) are actually the ones who have never ventured beyond our borders to see how other countries approach their infrastructure problems. I have been to London, I have been to Madrid, I have been to Paris, I have been to Barcelona, and Toronto, and Montreal. And each of those cities has infrastructure that would make US cities of comparable size weep in terms of quality and diversity of infrastructure.
EXACTLY!!!! whereas me, and as far as i can tell, you as well, have seen the world and know that US infrastructure is truly nothing special! considering how powerful the US is, in all honesty, US infrastructure is a mockery.
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