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Old April 16th, 2006, 11:44 PM   #621
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I am ******* impressed by those interchanges.
One could say the same thing about rail infastructure.

"Scew the damn capitalists, I say build more of them"
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Old April 17th, 2006, 12:05 AM   #622
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One could say the same thing about rail infastructure.
The US does have impressive rail infrastructure. It's just for freight rather than passenger.
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Old April 17th, 2006, 12:44 AM   #623
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Our civilization must be already in a very sad state when some people start defining such a massive piece of rotten concrete as beautiful

http://www.texasfreeway.com/ElPaso/p...-2001_hres.jpg
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Old April 17th, 2006, 12:48 AM   #624
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Old April 17th, 2006, 01:42 AM   #625
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The US does have impressive rail infrastructure. It's just for freight rather than passenger.
An impressive picture, credit goes to the photographer:

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Old April 17th, 2006, 02:11 AM   #626
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The US does have impressive rail infrastructure. It's just for freight rather than passenger.
Too bad what 80% of all freight is transported through tractor trailers using the highway system.

(I don't know the exact figure but I imagine it's around there)
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Old April 18th, 2006, 05:01 PM   #627
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Too bad what 80% of all freight is transported through tractor trailers using the highway system.

(I don't know the exact figure but I imagine it's around there)
In terms of total tonnage, its 30%:


In terms of ton-mileage, its 47% (means rails run the majority of long distance routes):


According to this website & the U.S. Dept of transportation:
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=6350&sequence=0

So contrary to people's stereotypical belief, the U.S. is heavily reliant on railroads for freight transportation, and has significant freight rail infrastructure.
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Our civilization must be already in a very sad state when some people start defining such a massive piece of rotten concrete as beautiful

http://www.texasfreeway.com/ElPaso/p...-2001_hres.jpg
Impressive: Yes
Beautiful: No
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Our civilization must be already in a very sad state when some people start defining such a massive piece of rotten concrete as beautiful

http://www.texasfreeway.com/ElPaso/p...-2001_hres.jpg

in Texas, it is BEAUTIFUL
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Old April 19th, 2006, 02:23 AM   #631
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Old April 19th, 2006, 12:59 PM   #632
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EU by a long shot, althoe its closer then it apears because of land area and population differences.
America just cant compare in highways, roads, pasenger rail, freight rail(close), public transport in cities barly exists in America, and you cant say im wrong because I know, and I would personaly actualy say EU air transport is also beter. Its no fun having to drive to a airport, fear geting a colon exam the whole time and then have to somehow make your way to your destination(I know that there are airports that have transit going to them but theres is only a couple). In EU you can almost always hop on a train get of at the airport, fly, get of hop on a train and get to the city center, and then if you want to get to another town you just hop right back on another train.
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Old April 19th, 2006, 01:28 PM   #633
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Hard to tell but I sometimes find European cities more modern compared to US ones.

BTW, is it because of automobile ownership and freeways why commuter rails in US didn't took off?

And while some US highways are top notch, it's Euro counterparts are impressive as well especially the German autobahn
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Old April 19th, 2006, 01:41 PM   #634
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Hard to tell but I sometimes find European cities more modern compared to US ones.

BTW, is it because of automobile ownership and freeways why commuter rails in US didn't took off?

And while some US highways are top notch, it's Euro counterparts are impressive as well especially the German autobahn
I don't know about automobile ownership, as this list shows that a number of European nations actually top the list. However, it may have been different in the past when the US had the highest number of automobile ownership.

Number of Cars per 1000 people (From Nation Master)
#1 Italy 539 per 1,000 people
#2 Germany 508 per 1,000 people
#3 Austria 495 per 1,000 people
#4 Switzerland 486 per 1,000 people
#5 Australia 485 per 1,000 people
#6 New Zealand 481 per 1,000 people
#7 United States 478 per 1,000 people
#8 France 469 per 1,000 people
#9 Canada 459 per 1,000 people
#10 Belgium 448 per 1,000 people
#11 Sweden 437 per 1,000 people
#12 Norway 407 per 1,000 people
#13 Finland 403 per 1,000 people
#14 Japan 395 per 1,000 people
#15 Netherlands 383 per 1,000 people
#16 United Kingdom 373 per 1,000 people
#17 Denmark 353 per 1,000 people
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Old April 19th, 2006, 02:00 PM   #635
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To be quite honest I get the impression that this list mixes up total registered private vehicles with just private car ownership per capita. It wouldn't surprise me if the Italian statistic includes mopeds/motorbikes. Various lists show different results. Usually Luxemburg tops the list followed by the US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. The other high ranking EU countries then follow.
I get the distinct impression that the above list doent use constant criteria.
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^ I have no idea how the list is compiled, however, it does specify cars and Germany which comes 2nd on the list doesn't have a large number of mopeds. And, yes, I have seen other lists, wikipedia has one for car ownership which

Iceland is also often at the top of the lists, but is not mentioned in the Nationmaster stats. You can also do a google search for Italy's claim to have the most cars in the world per capita, and quite a few pages show up.

This link shows a similar list for Europe, and clearly differentiates between cars and two wheeled vehicles: (both tables show similar figures for 1999 for cars with the Nationmaster list) http://themes.eea.eu.int/Sectors_and...icle_fleet.pdf

But again, I never trust international statistics, which as you have pointed out, one never really knows what the definitions in each country really are. There could be so many variables. My point being, I don't think there is much difference in car ownership between Europe and the US today.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 06:50 PM   #637
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Usa statistic probably don't includes Sport utility vehicle, considered "light trucks" and not cars.
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Old April 21st, 2006, 07:03 PM   #638
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^ I have no idea how the list is compiled, however, it does specify cars and Germany which comes 2nd on the list doesn't have a large number of mopeds. And, yes, I have seen other lists, wikipedia has one for car ownership which

Iceland is also often at the top of the lists, but is not mentioned in the Nationmaster stats. You can also do a google search for Italy's claim to have the most cars in the world per capita, and quite a few pages show up.

This link shows a similar list for Europe, and clearly differentiates between cars and two wheeled vehicles: (both tables show similar figures for 1999 for cars with the Nationmaster list) http://themes.eea.eu.int/Sectors_and...icle_fleet.pdf

But again, I never trust international statistics, which as you have pointed out, one never really knows what the definitions in each country really are. There could be so many variables. My point being, I don't think there is much difference in car ownership between Europe and the US today.
Indeed. It's a tricky one to call but as far as I know the number of registered vehicles in the US (total) was over 700 per 1000 people. Australia, New Zealand and Canada all above 600. The Netherlands (a pretty average EU country) was aprox 480. Germany was about 550. Luxemburg and Iceland would be the toppers in Europe I believe but I think their total vehicle numbers would be slightly lower than the US.
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Indeed. It's a tricky one to call but as far as I know the number of registered vehicles in the US (total) was over 700 per 1000 people. Australia, New Zealand and Canada all above 600. The Netherlands (a pretty average EU country) was aprox 480. Germany was about 550. Luxemburg and Iceland would be the toppers in Europe I believe but I think their total vehicle numbers would be slightly lower than the US.
That could well be for total "vehicle" numbers, as opposed to "cars" etc. As we all can see, statistics between different countries is almost impossible to do accurately.
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 06:39 AM   #640
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I don't know about automobile ownership, as this list shows that a number of European nations actually top the list. However, it may have been different in the past when the US had the highest number of automobile ownership.

Number of Cars per 1000 people (From Nation Master)
#1 Italy 539 per 1,000 people
#2 Germany 508 per 1,000 people
#3 Austria 495 per 1,000 people
#4 Switzerland 486 per 1,000 people
#5 Australia 485 per 1,000 people
#6 New Zealand 481 per 1,000 people
#7 United States 478 per 1,000 people
#8 France 469 per 1,000 people
#9 Canada 459 per 1,000 people
#10 Belgium 448 per 1,000 people
#11 Sweden 437 per 1,000 people
#12 Norway 407 per 1,000 people
#13 Finland 403 per 1,000 people
#14 Japan 395 per 1,000 people
#15 Netherlands 383 per 1,000 people
#16 United Kingdom 373 per 1,000 people
#17 Denmark 353 per 1,000 people
This is autos only. Remember that around 55% of all private vehicle sales in the US are "light trucks."
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