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Old October 21st, 2006, 12:22 AM   #721
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I think it depends on the state. Like Texas probably has better freeways than most of Europe.

Look at this construction for instance, this alone probably blows Europe out of the water.






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Texas? Thats what I thought.

Is it somewhere on the Beltway 8?
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Old October 21st, 2006, 01:00 AM   #722
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Do you know if there are highways outside the states built of concrete?
Most Belgian roads are made of concrete, and a lot of German ones too. I thought Denmark uses a lot of concrete too.

Concrete has some advantages; it has a much longer life, and can resist better to heavy truck traffic.

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i don't like that road markings, in fact, there is almost none. There doesn't seems to be an hard shoulder too. If you construct such an expensive interchange, why not add hard shoulders al least to the lanes on the ground? It's much safer. Roads without a hard shoulder inside heavily travelled areas have a much worser accident-rate.
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Old October 22nd, 2006, 11:38 PM   #723
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The very simple reason for the european motorways being any superior to the american ones is because of the population density.

Roads in many EU member states are very well maintained only because it's a necessity. The congestion only shows what a bunch of lazy sods we have become.
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 02:53 AM   #724
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You see a few ferraris but it's mostly small Fiats overtaking on blind bends etc, driving in Italy can be a pain because of the drivers.
On the italian highways,you can see some Lamborghini used by italian police























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Old October 23rd, 2006, 02:59 AM   #725
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That second last pic scares me.
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Old October 23rd, 2006, 03:27 AM   #726
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Old October 25th, 2006, 03:13 PM   #727
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In general, European highways:

* Have better/clearer signs
* Are much better lit
* Are better surfaced
* Have longer merge lanes on onramps (you have more time to merge)
* Have better organized interchanges
* Less exit/entrance points, which can be good
* Better lane discipline (i.e. you can only overtake from the overtaking lanes)

That's all.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 05:13 PM   #728
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I went here in Naples
One of Italian friends of my mother live in a luxury appartement in this district
the metro Citea station is not far.



We have the same in France
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Old October 25th, 2006, 07:33 PM   #729
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Metro station name is Cilea but in this district,called Vomero,there are several metro stations.
It's an attractive district because is situated on a hill that allows beautiful sights of the gulf of naples.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 09:21 PM   #730
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I heard Naples has about the most chaotic traffic of Europe.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 10:52 PM   #731
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I heard Naples has about the most chaotic traffic of Europe.

Oh yes,It's true
I live in Naples and traffic is something terrible!
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:13 PM   #732
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I think Europeans suffer from an inferiority complex that is why every other thread we see on this forum is about either showing or trying to prove how Europe is so much better than the US. Pathetic.

The fact of the matter is that America is more free and it's a lot easier to find a job and become successful due to less business regulation than in Europe. Who cares about highways. I would prefer to live in the US even if it had the worst highways in the world.
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Obviously you have the complex that everyone else must have inferiority complex from you. You've been brought up that you're No.1, and when you're not, it's the inferiority-complex story again. May be in terms of architecture Europeans have inveriority complex from America, since some buildings are barely 1000 years old, as compared to the "ancient" 200 years of the American buildings.

To the point - I think that Americans try to put eveything on the top of the other. To me, European junctions are neater, better planned and organized. In America they try to put all the roads at the same place, while in Europe the junction is often spread on a larger area. It's not the complexity of structure that makes a junction functional.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:19 PM   #733
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That is just a fact, you can download data from the RWS website, if you like.

But here's a fact, counts from 2005

A10 Schellingwoude S115 - Zeeburg S114: 103.121 (weekworkday)

A28 Knooppunt Hattemerbroek - Zwolle-Zuid 115.243 (weekworkday)

Know the figures, than talk.
In Amsterdam there work a million people, in Zwolle like what, 20.000? You also used one of the quiets highways around Amsterdam ringway A10, while the A1, A2, A4, A9 all have more lanes to start with.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #734
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Do you know if there are highways outside the states built of concrete?
In Austria the oldest Autobahnen are. They derive from Hitlers plans still, and they used concrete.

Nowadays those concrete Autobahnen are asphalted above the concrete fundament though. Most parts of them at least.
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Old October 29th, 2006, 09:37 PM   #735
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That traffic comes from elswere, mostly on alternative routes through cities and towns. You better have more traffic and pollution on a motorway, than inside towns, and villages, were people are living. So the amount of traffic on a motorway rises, but decrease somewhere else.

You can see that on the A13 near Delft. A lot of traffic drives through towns and nature areas, because the A13 is more like a parking lot. Once the A4 is completed, you have new traffic there, but no more inconvenience about traffic on roads that aren't designed for that much traffic.
Its a bit more complex than this. Highways do not only transfer traffic from lower priority roots. They create an significant amount of traffic that would not exist without it. In Vienna if the Südostangente has a traffic-infarct you can have it that the whole traffic in the complete town collapses.

The source of all those traffic problems are the urban sprawl.

Highways are needed, yes, but one must not forget the public means of transport by being fixed at the problems cars cause.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 12:46 PM   #736
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In Amsterdam there work a million people, in Zwolle like what, 20.000? You also used one of the quiets highways around Amsterdam ringway A10, while the A1, A2, A4, A9 all have more lanes to start with.
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But in Amsterdam you can choose to travel along the A9 or A1-A10, if you like (all those motorways have heavy undercapacity), i don't say the Zwolle problem is bigger, it isn't.

But here, we have 90.000 workplaces on 113.000 inhabitants, you think that all those commuters have just one motorway which they can use. The A28 is heavily overcrowded as well. Traffic problems are not only common in the Randstad, but also outside them, and traffic-jams are growing much faster in Arnhem, Zwolle, Den Bosch, Eindhoven, Breda etc, than in the Randstad region, were the grow is quite steady. And traffic jams towards the Randstad region are growing fast, just think about the A2 and A27 towards Utrecht.
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Old October 30th, 2006, 03:49 PM   #737
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Old October 31st, 2006, 10:16 AM   #738
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Old October 31st, 2006, 10:27 PM   #739
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I don't care for the concrete look to Texas' freeways. I think metro Atlanta can hold it's own with the best expressways of Europe.







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Old November 3rd, 2006, 08:22 AM   #740
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I don't think you can accurately compare them; US Highways span for thousands of miles whereas European countries are much smaller.
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