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Old November 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM   #741
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Freance has the second largest expressway system in Europe +12,000 Km

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Old November 3rd, 2006, 10:05 PM   #742
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France has the second largest expressway system in Europe +12,000 Km
To be rapidly overtaken by Spain, which stands at around 11,000 km, and is still growing fast, especially Autovia's.
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Old November 3rd, 2006, 10:08 PM   #743
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But ontopic, i don't like the French signage. Especially around cities, there are way too many (local) destinations on the signs. And you guys have to put signs into 1 sign, not 4 like this one
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Old November 4th, 2006, 01:02 AM   #744
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The way I see it, one of the main differences is..

American utilitarianism, "bigger is better", "as long as it works"..









Vs. European elegance and aesthetics
















Now, I'm not saying something like this:



.. isn't beautiful in its own way, because it is But there is and always has been a cultural difference between Americans and Europeans when it comes to aesthetics. I love how the European 2x2 motorways with their sexy black asphalt and brilliantly white markings wind elegantly through the landscape, with breathtaking viaducts and tunnels. Even so much that I find having 3 lanes makes it look kind of tacky.. But in and especially around cities I think European motorways look run down and a bit second class compared to the American highways. I'm sure this has to do with the amount of traffic, available space and all that, but that's the way it is. But then again European cities don't rely in their motorways as much as American cities do, having other modes of transport available.
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Old November 4th, 2006, 02:04 AM   #745
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Anyone see the Episode on Discovery's "Extreme Engineering" about Germanys Highways, the Autobahn?
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Old November 4th, 2006, 10:15 AM   #746
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To be rapidly overtaken by Spain, which stands at around 11,000 km, and is still growing fast, especially Autovia's.

Don't worry 12,000 km was in 2001. I don't know the real number for now.

France autoroute and expressway system growing fast too.
they are maby highway in construction in France
I don't know the real number but more 400 km of expressway are in construction.
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Yes, they are reconstructing some Voie Expresses into Autoroutes in Bretagne.

Nowadays, there aren't large expressway constructions in France, but there are plans to improve the motorways around Paris, and build some extra length to some motorways.

The last one completed should be the A89 motorway from Bordaux to Clermont-Fd.
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From wikipedia: "At December 31, 2005 the network was composed of 12,444 km." (Spain).
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Old November 4th, 2006, 12:15 PM   #749
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Yes, they are reconstructing some Voie Expresses into Autoroutes in Bretagne.

Nowadays, there aren't large expressway constructions in France, but there are plans to improve the motorways around Paris, and build some extra length to some motorways.

The last one completed should be the A89 motorway from Bordaux to Clermont-Fd.
I was not talk about reconstruction but construction
Many expressways are in construction but it is right the average length is 12 km for an expressway

And some expressways are in construction in oversea departement of France
But Spanish expressway system growing fast

The France network was composed of 11810 km in january 2001 according USIRF.
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Old November 4th, 2006, 12:24 PM   #750
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The way I see it, one of the main differences is..

American utilitarianism, "bigger is better", "as long as it works"..









Vs. European elegance and aesthetics
















Now, I'm not saying something like this:



.. isn't beautiful in its own way, because it is But there is and always has been a cultural difference between Americans and Europeans when it comes to aesthetics. I love how the European 2x2 motorways with their sexy black asphalt and brilliantly white markings wind elegantly through the landscape, with breathtaking viaducts and tunnels. Even so much that I find having 3 lanes makes it look kind of tacky.. But in and especially around cities I think European motorways look run down and a bit second class compared to the American highways. I'm sure this has to do with the amount of traffic, available space and all that, but that's the way it is. But then again European cities don't rely in their motorways as much as American cities do, having other modes of transport available.
Even as an American, I buy into this arguement. Well said... although in the northeastern U.S. (with a similar climate to Europe), there is much black asphalt and white roadway markings... also run down roads within cities, such as New York.
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Old November 4th, 2006, 07:11 PM   #751
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Some Spanish highways



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i think Spain has actually one of the best motorway-networks in Europe. Especially around Madrid, where in a few years, an huge freeway network has been build. They definitly beat Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam etc.

this one is in Barcelona, right?
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this one is in Barcelona, right?
yes, itīs Barcelona, itīs called Nus de la Trinitat.
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Old November 4th, 2006, 10:00 PM   #755
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i think Spain has actually one of the best motorway-networks in Europe. Especially around Madrid, where in a few years, an huge freeway network has been build. They definitly beat Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam etc.

this one is in Barcelona, right?
Probably because they get so much money from the EU. Everywhere in Spain is a construction site with an EU Funded sign on it.
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Probably because they get so much money from the EU. Everywhere in Spain is a construction site with an EU Funded sign on it.

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Old November 5th, 2006, 07:14 AM   #757
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Feels quite weird considering I'm from a country that pays way more money to the EU than we're given back!
But Spain deserves it - it's a great country which unfortunately has been in 'bad shape' for a long time, plus it's a nice place for us Scandinavians to take a vacation.
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But Spain deserves it - it's a great country which unfortunately has been in 'bad shape' for a long time, plus it's a nice place for us Scandinavians to take a vacation.
Yes, the EU is good for the poorer Countries. The same happened to Portugal, they were quite poor, but after joining the EU their Economy steadily grew. Now they are quite wealthy. Looks like the same thing has happened to Spain.

The new Eastern Expansion is a different story tho...
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Old November 5th, 2006, 02:09 PM   #759
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I don't think you can accurately compare them; US Highways span for thousands of miles whereas European countries are much smaller.
Well, they span for thousand of miles in europe as well. You just have to drive through different countries on your way. But with the european union, its like driving through states in the US. Not much different actually. The density of the network is comparable.
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The new Eastern Expansion is a different story tho...
But wealthy begins with good infrastructure. The EU even funds road construction outside the EU (Croatia) and even outside Europe (Kazakhstan).

But countries like Hungary, Czechia and Slovenia developed a motorway network, long before they joined the EU.

But though, i think it's a good think for Western Europe to share our wealthy with those other countries. We are not getting worse from it, but they getting better. Especially countries like Estonia, Lituvia and Latvia.
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