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Old November 5th, 2006, 07:04 PM   #761
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But wealthy begins with good infrastructure. The EU even funds road construction outside the EU (Croatia) and even outside Europe (Kazakhstan).

But countries like Hungary, Czechia and Slovenia developed a motorway network, long before they joined the EU.

But though, i think it's a good think for Western Europe to share our wealthy with those other countries. We are not getting worse from it, but they getting better. Especially countries like Estonia, Lituvia and Latvia.
I agree, but many People (including myself) think we are moving WAY too fast expanding the EU. People are not even asked (by Referendum) if they want more Countries to join. The Expansion should be slow and controlled in my Opinion, a new country is a big change. Especially if many new countries are "poor", it has a big impact on the EU.

But if course it is good for the Join Candidates, they work hard to meet the EU Standards (Anti-Corruption Programs, Freedom of Speech etc), which increases their Quality of living.

Hm, this has drifted off Topic, but i'm happy to discuss it in another Thread if you wish.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 09:12 PM   #762
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People are not even asked (by Referendum) if they want more Countries to join. .
Maybe it's better to not have a Referendum for all cases. In most cases the experts now things better than the citizens.

But i agree on you that the last expansion was too much at one time. Countries like Hungary, Slovenia and Czechia were ready for it, but i think Poland and Slovakia and the Baltic states was a little too fast.

Expansion by Romania and Bulgaria by next year is too fast, if you ask me. Romania is like a 3rd world country in many visions.

But it's better for those east European citizens, they're getting better of it.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 09:20 PM   #763
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The Expansion should be slow and controlled in my Opinion, a new country is a big change. Especially if many new countries are "poor", it has a big impact on the EU.
Impact of joining new states from Eastern Europe on the EU is minimal, even if they are poor (I don't mean big country like a Turkey). Biggest problem of EU is called globalisation. Some western EU countries are becoming less and less competitive at the global market. The german or french workman can do same work as workman let's say from Poland, India or China, but needs much more money. The only way out is to follow scandinavian countries like Finland or Sweden which invest most % of their GDP to Education and Reseach & Developement in Europe, these countries are one the most competitive (economically) countries in the world.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 09:32 PM   #764
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But i agree on you that the last expansion was too much at one time. Countries like Hungary, Slovenia and Czechia were ready for it, but i think Poland and Slovakia and the Baltic states was a little too fast.
Slovakia? Are you kidding me? Have you ever been there? You would be very surprised how rich that country is. Same for the Baltics, which are very small after all and joing of them did absolutely nothing to EU (BTW, their GDP grows about 10% y/y for many years, Estonia is now as rich as Portugal and remaing baltic countries will follow soon). Poland is big and not so rich, but it's growing fast and in next ten years it will draw level with poorest countries of old member states.

You simply have to search for the reason of current problems of western countries somewhere else, not in the Eastern Europe.
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I've been to Czechia, and what i've seen from Slovakia, that it's a beautiful country, but not so modern like Hungary or Czechia.
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Old November 5th, 2006, 09:50 PM   #766
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^ So you have to visit it again Trust me, there is no gap between Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary. And Slovakia GDP is growing about 6-7% y/y and will overtake Portugal in next two years.

OK, this is a bit off topic so I'm quiting this thread. But you should definitely change your opinion on Eastern Europe, Iron curtain isn't in Europe anymore
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Old November 6th, 2006, 12:26 AM   #767
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Estonia is now as rich as Portugal and remaing baltic countries will follow soon).
Huh?!
I've never heard about that, and I have a really hard time believing in that.
Slovenia is as rich as Portugal, but it's the only country from the 10 new ones to be that rich.
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Old November 6th, 2006, 03:53 PM   #768
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Estonia, Lituvia and Latvia are quite modern countries. I think they reached the level of Slovenia and Portugal very soon.

They also have a motorway network, but it's not too large, because of the low amount of population.

As what i know, these 3 countries were always the richest of the soviet union.
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Old November 7th, 2006, 11:54 AM   #769
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Estonia, Lituvia and Latvia are quite modern countries. I think they reached the level of Slovenia and Portugal very soon.

They also have a motorway network, but it's not too large, because of the low amount of population.
I'm sorry for you, but the quality of the motorway network don't give always an impression of the wealthness of the country.
Belgium and the United States seems less developed than The Netherlands for instance, but both countries have a bigger GDP/capita than the Netherlands....
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That's right, but this thread was about motorways
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Old November 7th, 2006, 05:33 PM   #771
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I have loved it visiting Montereux this summer
Astonishing view..

few photos more









Spanish E9( Barcelona-Toulse ) (Mercedes has the best looking plates in Europe - Principat Andora)






And polish motorway

A briudge for animals



a normal one with Rainbow colours (ugly one )

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Old November 7th, 2006, 05:56 PM   #772
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AP-1 From Arrasate to Bergara on Basque Country, under construction:

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Fotos de la autopista AP-1 (Arrasate-Bergara)

Unas fotos sacadas esta mañana.
Las obras de la autopista a la altura de Arrasate-Mondragón:




Otro dia con mas tiempo sacare fotos del tramo Arrasate-Arlaban en obras.

Aqui otras fotos del tramo ya abierto entre Arrasate y Bergara (Ampliable a 3 carriles cuando la autovía GI-632 enlace con la AP-1)

Entrada al tunel dirección Bergara:

Salida a la altura de San Prudencio:

Paneles de direcciones:

Salida a Bergara y enlace con la carretera GI-632:

Cabina de peaje (me ha salido la foto borrosa)


Enlace con el peaje sur de Bergara y GI-632 vista desde la GI-627



Vista de la autopista en Bergara Norte;

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Old November 7th, 2006, 06:01 PM   #773
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nice i saw that also E9 is under construcrion ( few tunels, bridges ecc)

ps. Could you translate description of photos?
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Old November 8th, 2006, 01:29 PM   #774
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ps. Could you translate description of photos?
some explanations:

- first 3 pics: A1 under construction seen from south Mondragon
- Driving between Mondragon&Bergara (4 km.)
- South Bergara exit, you can see the toll (tag available)
- Last pics: A1 seen from the ground near Bergara

This map shows the location of the pics & basque country network:

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Aunque afortunadamente va a tardar poco en quedar obsoleto, ahi va una actualizacion al mapa de carreteras:


As you can see, A1 is not finished yet, especially in the south conexion with Vitoria/Gasteiz, so most of the international traffic from iberian peninsula to EU still using the old N1, and that´s why you can see a very poor traffic in the A1 ( for the moment )
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How's the condition of the A8/AP8 between Irun en Bilbao? I heard this is one of the oldest Spanish motorways, so in a bad condition?
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^It's in excelente condition, the only problem is that the terrain is quite dificult and the motorways is quite old(built in the 70's), so the geometry of the motorway is not very good - many "sharp" curves, for a motorway.
There are many streaches limited to 100km/h or even 80km/h(in tunnels).
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Old November 10th, 2006, 11:23 PM   #777
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Hernani-Astigarraga variant U/C:

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Tras una buena temporada sin desempolvar la cámara, me he dado una vuelta para sacar unas fotos a pocas semanas -supuestamente- de que sea inaugurado el tramo Variante de Hernani-Astigarraga.

En primer lugar, el viaducto que cruza el río Urumea, al norte de Hernani:













Algo más de cerca, debajo de la nueva autovía la vieja carretera Hernani-Donostia por Astigarraga:














Detalle de los falsos túneles en los que termina el viaducto...se nota que están trabajando con ganas



















Y un par de detalles para completar esta 1ª ronda de fotos:


El enlace de Hernani norte, justo en el punto en el que viaducto se une con la variante de Hernani. No se aprecia del todo desgraciadamente...





y unos entrañables commieblocks de Hernani


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Which Autovia/Autopista is that?
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Old November 12th, 2006, 02:43 AM   #779
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^It's a short motorway, which is called Autovia del Urumea and will link S. Sebastian with Andoain.
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Old January 3rd, 2007, 12:19 AM   #780
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AP-1 bridge U/C at Garagartza, Gipuzkoa

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URTE BERRI ON

FELIZ AÑO

Hola a todos:

Hoy para comer he ido a Garagartza (Arrasate), como todos los años, pero ante mi padre y yo hemos ido a ver las obras del viaducto de marin (gipuzkoa), en las obras de la autopista AP1 (Eibar-Vitoria)

Es impresionante!

Tener unas fotos













SI QUEREIS MAS DECIRMELO, Q TENGO MAS

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