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Old May 25th, 2005, 11:38 PM   #81
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Ok well there is also that to go along with the huge freeways, in the city its 12-18 lanes and outside it looks like all the stuff you post.

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Old May 25th, 2005, 11:41 PM   #82
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Hey, i really dont care HOW MANY LANES IT HAS ! I allready wrote it s important to get fast, and for most european highways it enoughs to have 2+1 security lane per direction do get fast and secure. Why do u think german highways don't have speed limit ? Highways which are much narrower and have less lanes than US ?
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Old May 25th, 2005, 11:47 PM   #83
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Yes and im saying only in the cities is there that many lanes, everywhere else it looks like the same crap in Europe. BTW this is Canada(specifically Ontario) im talking about, not the US.
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Old May 26th, 2005, 08:17 AM   #84
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Signs in Germany always display both route number plus destination

Hrmmm, I am obviously mistaken then. I do recall seeing guide singage in Europe with only destinations and not numbers, but it must have been in another country.

Thanks for clearing this up.

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Old May 27th, 2005, 07:47 AM   #85
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Actually not all European highways are that quality.It depends of the fundings of the government of the highway projects.If you look at the UK motorway is way out in terms of quality compare to other european countries and the US.This is because the government allocate small budgets on motorway projects compare to i say Germany.Besides that a toll highway is very useful in order a good/quality highway is produced like the Autoroute in France,Autopistas or Autostrade.So it's not a matter of continent actually.Its a matter of budget.You can build quality highway but you have think about the consequences such maintenance,the extra money for the highway project can be directed to other useful fundings such education or where ever the gov wants to allocate it.Allocation of the money have to be balanced depends of the need,time or economic situatiion,if not you will be in trouble that's all.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 07:59 AM   #86
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and adorable people we Nederlanders are, we give directions in its own language, so on A15 etc it reads Kleve rather than Kleef (Nederlands); Köln rather than Keulen
Oh, those NL, it's asfalt heaven!
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Old May 28th, 2005, 01:11 PM   #87
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Some pics of European roads:










I think it doesn`t depend on money .. because both US and EU has it. US it bigger, and have less people than EU so it is easier to keep good quality of roads in the EU.

Hmm, what are speed limits in the US?
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Old May 28th, 2005, 01:32 PM   #88
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Random Motorway Madness
How sad am I for recognising both junctions instantly?
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Old May 28th, 2005, 06:29 PM   #89
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What I really noticed in that pic (top) is that it looks like a post to the left of the Junction is either iced up or dryin out!
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Old May 29th, 2005, 02:03 PM   #90
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actually the german autobahn is much better than their american counterpart.The thickness off the cement is twice as big on the autobahn than on the highways in america.
this surely makes the autobahn more expensive to built, but it is therefore more durable.All autobahns arent flat,but are higher to the middle of the road and are getting flatter to the outside lanes.This is done to prevent rain water flooding the street.This method might probably set a limit to the number of lanes.As far as I know the most lanes in Germany can be found around Frankfurt with 6 on each side or something like that.
also most american highways are featuring cement barriers in the middle,whilst there are mainly steel barriers used in germany.
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Old May 29th, 2005, 05:28 PM   #91
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actually the german autobahn is much better than their american counterpart.The thickness off the cement is twice as big on the autobahn than on the highways in america.
this surely makes the autobahn more expensive to built, but it is therefore more durable.All autobahns arent flat,but are higher to the middle of the road and are getting flatter to the outside lanes.This is done to prevent rain water flooding the street.This method might probably set a limit to the number of lanes.As far as I know the most lanes in Germany can be found around Frankfurt with 6 on each side or something like that.
also most american highways are featuring cement barriers in the middle,whilst there are mainly steel barriers used in germany.
Sloping from the centre of the road outwards is called the crown of the road (at least where I am from). I would be very shocked if any modern road juristiction built roads without a crown these days.

Steel baricades were at one time in favour in North America, but are generally not being used anymore, as concrete barriers are becoming dominant. Steel barriers are typically designed so that the supports snap out away from the cushon when a vehicle strikes the barrier. This unfortunately results in vehicles often being deflected back into driving lanes along a freeway (at least, this is what was the case in North America). For this reason, steel barriers are no longer that common along north american freeways.

There are many designs of concrete barriers, the one I am most familiar with is called 'Ontario Tallwall' or just 'tallwall' for short. This barrier is designed to deflect vehicles up along the barrier, where the barrier cushons there impact, and stops the vehicle in the shoulder/emergency lane and doesn't deflect it into traffic. From a safety standpoint, concrete has been proven much safer then steel on north american highways.

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Old May 29th, 2005, 08:39 PM   #92
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Thats intersting!Actually I had not the slightest idea how you call sloped highways in your place,but you got what I meant.considering the steel barrier Im pretty sure its the more sofistcated option,since the german government is starting to built concrete barriers similar to the ones used in the states,due to a shortage of money.
So the concrete version is actually the cheaper solution.Now I dont know the differencies between both of them in case of a crash,but I would have thought that the steel barrier absorbes more of the impact energy compared to the concrete one.That snap back effect that you mention probably differs in the different desgns of the barrier.
Also the speed limit is generally higher in Germany than in the States.I guess that also has to be taken into account.Probably concrete barriers are enough for the standard highway.
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Old May 29th, 2005, 08:55 PM   #93
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The thing is that I love asphalt highways and here in the US it's not very used in the Highways unfortunately.
so what do you use? concrete?
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Old May 29th, 2005, 08:58 PM   #94
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Thats intersting!Actually I had not the slightest idea how you call sloped highways in your place,but you got what I meant.considering the steel barrier Im pretty sure its the more sofistcated option,since the german government is starting to built concrete barriers similar to the ones used in the states,due to a shortage of money.
So the concrete version is actually the cheaper solution.Now I dont know the differencies between both of them in case of a crash,but I would have thought that the steel barrier absorbes more of the impact energy compared to the concrete one.That snap back effect that you mention probably differs in the different desgns of the barrier.
Also the speed limit is generally higher in Germany than in the States.I guess that also has to be taken into account.Probably concrete barriers are enough for the standard highway.
Judging from what i have seen and heard about German Autobhans, I wouldn't think that the German government would be installing concrete barriers if they were a reduction in safety. I would bet however, that concrete barriers are more cost effective, since they don't need to be replaced if one gets hit.

There is a great website that lists the differences between the different types of concrete barriers used across north america, but i can't seem to recall the URL.

Once again, I know that Ontario is replacing all of its old steel barriers with concrete because concrete is both more cost effective and actually safer.

Most concrete barriers are designed with a slope on them that when vehicles hit the barrier, it prepels them up the side, this deflects all the crash energy up, and actually is very safe for both the vehicles occupants and other motorists (since the crashed vehicle is less likely to enter the driving lanes again).

Of course, personally, I like a wide grassed or treed median separating the dual carriageways, not only is it very safe, but I find it much nicer to look at then a pile of steel or concrete.

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Old May 29th, 2005, 09:36 PM   #95
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Recently completed cement barrier near me. You can see its needed here because this part of the 401 is like a rollercoaster.


sony, you seem to run the site where im getting these pictures from, do you mind me using them???
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Old May 30th, 2005, 04:01 AM   #96
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Coming back to the original question, does anyone seriously think that 401 is a good highway. Would someone like to drive there during the rush hours. I for one, would not.
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Old May 30th, 2005, 04:12 AM   #97
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^ the highway is over capacity and will remain to be so... It is an international (particularily US) trade hub, in addition to being a commuter line for the outer suburbs. Overall, not a good place to be. There's simply nothing that can be done about this.

But that's, in fact, not the original question. The original question was whether European highways are better than US ones? Considering the mind boggling network size, and the overall breadth (which I have already outlined) of the US network, it's just not a real competition.
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Old May 30th, 2005, 10:37 AM   #98
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Reading this interesting thread, I would agree that it seems the American motorway systems do employ more spectacular interchanges.

However, whilst thinking about that, it also occured to me that European motorways may have more spectacular viaducts, bridges and tunnels.

In this was, one counters the other to balance them out.

Also, it is clear that the U.S. has more km of motorway, being larger, but I would suspect that the EU country's are at least as dense as the U.S. in motorway networks - although Urban area's in the U.S. have more motorways in the central area (this is compensated by larger urban rail in urban centers in Europe)

I can't say one is better than the other, both parts of the world have great networks, in some area's like the U.S. they may be wider and have more spectacular interchanges, however, this is compensated by in Europe with some area's like Germany with no speed limits, and many other parts with amazing tunnels and viaducts (i.e. all the nations surrounding the Alps)
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Old June 1st, 2005, 04:50 AM   #99
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Not all countries in Europe including western Europe have better highways than the US. I found the highway in parts of Belgium rundown. Certain states in the US do have well maintained highways. Many highways in and around Houston metro I found to be bumpy to very bumpy.
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Old June 1st, 2005, 07:21 AM   #100
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Best Highways (EU vs USA)

Ok this one is a little different, I don't know about you guys but one of my fav things to do is get in the car, take the top down and just have some fun on the road. However, there's not that many cool roads around here... there's plenty, they just aren't very interesting.

So what cities have really nice long roads with nice scenery?
I hear they film a lot of car commercials somewhere in California, there's a lot of twisties right in front of the ocean.
I don't know about Denver and the other cities around the Rockies, never been out there but I hear the natural scenery gets really nice in the fall, not sure if there's any good roads along the mountains though.

Any others?
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