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Old July 10th, 2010, 12:16 PM   #981
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Those are some jaw-dropping photos. I've never seen highways like that in Europe before.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 12:42 PM   #982
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Those are some jaw-dropping photos. I've never seen highways like that in Europe before.
You should've traveled in eastern Germany or Poland in the early 2000's.

I remember the German A13 in 2000, it was totally disastrous, like this, we were traveling with a caravan and we were all sea-sick, it was like driving on half gravel-half pavement. A4 and A11 also used to be in extremely bad conditions in eastern Germany.

And then there is the Polish A4 and DK18. I was also honored to have experienced them in 2003, before renovation (DK18 is still disastrous).
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Old July 10th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #983
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DK18 is great westbound, and not excactly as good eastbound
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Old July 10th, 2010, 01:27 PM   #984
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I vote for European. The US should change to metric, and then... (But I think they will change units February 30th)
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Old July 10th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #985
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Old July 10th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #986
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The US should change to metric, and then... (But I think they will change units February 30th)
That would be great, but i don't think that's ever gonna happen
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Old July 10th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #987
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That would be great, but i don't think that's ever gonna happen
Right, because God forbid any country should do anything differently. The glorious Western European model must be conformed to by everyone without question! Because it is by definition the best! Ban baseball and cricket; ban driving on the left and license plates that actually permit someone more than a few feet (sorry, meters) away to tell where they're from; ban dollars and pounds. It's bizarre, really, that Europeans who are so eager to tell English-speaking people what to do are also so eager to make English into their Esperanto. But I suppose that makes it easier for us to understand their lectures. And once we've gone metric and started giving a damn about soccer, they can work on telling us how to make the language better too.

Also, ban Interstate shields in avatars. Alpha-numeric route markers are just so much more civilized. :-)

Hmph.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 05:19 PM   #988
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What are you so pissed about?
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Old July 10th, 2010, 06:20 PM   #989
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Ah, read that tongue-in-cheek. :-)

(But "the US should do everything like us" is a recurrent theme here - and elsewhere - from some European posters. It makes sense that that would be less noticeable to you. But, "pissed"? No, sarcastic.)
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Old July 10th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #990
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Ah, read that tongue-in-cheek. :-)

(But "the US should do everything like us" is a recurrent theme here - and elsewhere - from some European posters. It makes sense that that would be less noticeable to you. But, "pissed"? No, sarcastic.)
It's rather annoying, I agree. Although I do much prefer the metric system for measurements when there's any calculating involved. Someone once told me how many yards go in a mile but it was so ludicrously complicated I quickly forgot about it
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Ah, read that tongue-in-cheek. :-)

(But "the US should do everything like us" is a recurrent theme here - and elsewhere - from some European posters. It makes sense that that would be less noticeable to you. But, "pissed"? No, sarcastic.)
I've never said that the US should be identical to Europe. I'm just saying that one international system of measurements where everything is divideable by 10 is easier than having several different systems.

If you think i've offended the United States of America in any way, i apologize.

But it's my right to say my opinion about the standard of measurements in the US vs Rest of the world.

If you think i'm a jackass, tell me it, but do not offend my or any other users' place or region of residence
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Old July 10th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #992
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It's rather annoying, I agree. Although I do much prefer the metric system for measurements when there's any calculating involved. Someone once told me how many yards go in a mile but it was so ludicrously complicated I quickly forgot about it
1,760 if I recall properly.

As for the system of measurements, it works just fine for us, so we're quite glad to keep it.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 08:59 PM   #993
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I bet you haven't seen anything worse that that. That section of the highway ( around 35km ) is abandoned since many years ago and no reconstruction is going to be made soon. Bulgaria has the worst roads in EU at all.
I believe the "EU" in the title is meant more like "Western Europe" (including its poorer parts), not so much EU's new members.
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Old July 10th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #994
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I've never said that the US should be identical to Europe. I'm just saying that one international system of measurements where everything is divideable by 10 is easier than having several different systems.

If you think i've offended the United States of America in any way, i apologize.

But it's my right to say my opinion about the standard of measurements in the US vs Rest of the world.

If you think i'm a jackass, tell me it, but do not offend my or any other users' place or region of residence
First, look up the expression "tongue-in-cheek."

This IS a recurrent theme from European posters, plural. (Example: "Why do the Brits drive on the left? Do they think they're better than us?") In fact, it's constant. And I am not going to apologize for finding it irritating and saying so. If you find that equates to calling you (singular) a jackass, well that's too bad. But I don't think that, and that's not what I meant. And how does it offend your place or region of residence? I like Europe. Which is one reason I'm not sitting here telling Europeans to change the way they do things...
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Old July 10th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #995
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I'm not telling americans to change anything either. If they wanna stick to their old system, fine.
But i am going to express that i am not satisfied with their system.

I'm not just gonna tell some random american: "change that system"

But i am gonna express my opinion. And my opinion is that there should be one international standard.

BTW: If you read my previous post i said: "If you think i've offended the United States of America in any way, I apologize.

But that only applies if i offended the United States or any of it's residents based on their residence in the US"
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Old July 11th, 2010, 08:17 AM   #996
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If we are speaking about the higways too, not about the motorways/freeways only, than the best and sceniest highway on both continents is the coastal "California One", especially the famous "Big Sur route" between Monterey and San Luis Obispo. I have been there two times, in 2006 from north to south and in 2007 vice versa.
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Old July 11th, 2010, 12:54 PM   #997
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First, look up the expression "tongue-in-cheek."

This IS a recurrent theme from European posters, plural. (Example: "Why do the Brits drive on the left? Do they think they're better than us?") In fact, it's constant. And I am not going to apologize for finding it irritating and saying so. If you find that equates to calling you (singular) a jackass, well that's too bad. But I don't think that, and that's not what I meant. And how does it offend your place or region of residence? I like Europe. Which is one reason I'm not sitting here telling Europeans to change the way they do things...
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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:08 AM   #998
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Perhaps we should compare Europe's best highway with USA's best highway?

Many of the supposedly good highways posted in here look good in pics, but in reality their designs are awful from a driver's point of view.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:26 AM   #999
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Here's a couple of pictures from I took last month from my neck of the woods in Ontario, Canada.

Good quality:
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Poor quality (note the lack of shoulders):
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Wonder how they compare to US and Euro highways. I think they're a nice balance between the two.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 11:31 AM   #1000
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But i am gonna express my opinion. And my opinion is that there should be one international standard.

BTW: If you read my previous post i said: "If you think i've offended the United States of America in any way, I apologize.

But that only applies if i offended the United States or any of it's residents based on their residence in the US"
I agree with this. But I would go further. As well as a single international standard for measurement (and, of course, a single international protocol where all countries that currently drive on the left agree to switch to the right), I think there also needs to be an international standard of language.

Simply put, the current system where most countries use their own national language is messy and outdated. It adds immense cost to global trade and means that international travellers have to contend with speaking a foreign language. I propose that everyone across the globe should adopt English for exclusive use from January 1st 2011. German, French, Cantonese, Portuguese...all redundant, just like the Imperial system of measurement. Agree? Of course each of these languages have their own history and are embedded in the cultures of the countries and regions that use them, but the onward march of standardisation/homogenisation cannot be halted.

[Alternatively, we could all just agree that our differences make the world a slightly more interesting place. And that folk living in Denmark really have no business at all asking Americans, Britons or anyone else to adopt metric for every day use.]

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