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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #1081
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What a ridiculous thing to say when we're talking about numbers. Is "A2" any different in Italian than it is in Dutch or French? No.
Of course not. Quite the opposite. You cannot make mistakes in Europe, but you can in the US. What if someone has to take the I-something in North Dakota and end up taking the I-something in South Dakota?

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So what? What does that have to do with it? The problems are the same: namely that you'd run out of numbers because the places in question (US, EU) are too big for a single scheme.
No, it just means that americans are too lazy or dumb to devise a different scheme (for instance, spurs not only with 3-digit numbers but also with 4-digit numbers. Or with letters -- I-A95 and I-B95 being spurs of the I-95).

By the way, dude: cool off.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:16 PM   #1082
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I'm not having a discussion with someone who'll portray an entire people as lazy or dumb. Not worth my time.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #1083
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Of course not. Quite the opposite. You cannot make mistakes in Europe, but you can in the US. What if someone has to take the I-something in North Dakota and end up taking the I-something in South Dakota?
Or even worse, imagine the poor guy from Long Island caught in an infinite loop on the Capital Beltway, looking for his exit, going round and round....
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:28 PM   #1084
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I'm not having a discussion with someone who'll portray an entire people as lazy or dumb. Not worth my time.
You were the first to talk about "retards" and "dumb" people, and making derogatory comments. An entire people may not be dumb... at least one person is.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 05:51 PM   #1085
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Of course not. Quite the opposite. You cannot make mistakes in Europe, but you can in the US. What if someone has to take the I-something in North Dakota and end up taking the I-something in South Dakota?
That someone, is he or she a German driver out of this video?


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No, it just means that americans are too lazy or dumb to devise a different scheme (for instance, spurs not only with 3-digit numbers but also with 4-digit numbers. Or with letters -- I-A95 and I-B95 being spurs of the I-95).
It probably means Americans are smart enough to figure out what state or metro area they're in. Not sure about European tourists driving in America, though.


Anyway, you can probably tell I'm pretty bored today, so don't take what I wrote before too serious. 3-digit Interstates are not *that* frequent (edit: I meant 3-digit interstates sharing the same number in close proximity) and unless you're so stoned you shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's really no way it could cause any confusion. People are not that dumb - on either side of the big pond.

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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:09 PM   #1086
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It probably means Americans are smart enough to figure out what state or metro area they're in. Not sure about European tourists driving in America, though.
I hope so... Obviously I wasn't serious about americans, I was only pissed by the scornful comments of someone...

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Anyway, you can probably tell I'm pretty bored today, so don't take what I wrote before too serious. 3-digit Interstates are not *that* frequent (edit: I meant 3-digit interstates sharing the same number in close proximity) and unless you're so stoned you shouldn't be driving in the first place, there's really no way it could cause any confusion. People are not that dumb - on either side of the big pond.
Understood, all I meant is that a nation-wide project like the Interstate should be more rigorous and uniform in giving names to its roads.
Before anyone asks, I'm Italian and in Italy national road names (not autostrade) are a mess bigger than you can imagine...
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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #1087
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I thought that for Europe (not only EU) should in the future work the system with E numbers. However, not covering all the motorways and expresways.

It is certainly not perfect to have same numbers and names for different roads in different parts of the same country. Yet, I see as a bigger mess changing the numbering overnight because of this, not forgetting, that it causes no problems so far.

Sure EU is not country, but as for me it should be. I am wholeheartedly en EU federalist and would support this. But that is not the core. I mean generally speaking EU is comparable with US in many ways and I dare to say that transport policy is one of the areas where the similarities are huge. So to say, I have never in my entire life thought it could cause problems that different countries in EU have the same names and numbers for their motorways. On the other side I experienced a situation when I made a mistake and used number from german network on a motorway from another country or vice versa.


So yes. The system should be a such, that it would assign unique number to every motorway in given "network" system. Whether this is feasible to achieve when the system is already built and whether the benefits of such a change uitweights the costs is another question.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:40 PM   #1088
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It would be good if fuels had the same name all over Europe

Simply;

E95
E98
Diesel
Autogas

So to get rid of all the "sans plomb", "senza piombo", "gazole", "bleifrei", "Blyfri", "gasol", "motorgas", "gasolio", "sem chumbo", "gasóleo", "bezolowiowa", "Olej napedowy" etc. mess.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 06:54 PM   #1089
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Understood, all I meant is that a nation-wide project like the Interstate should be more rigorous and uniform in giving names to its roads.
I can see your argument, but I can't help thinking it's primarily for the sake of pedantry than any real world benefits. Knowing that 3-digit interstates are local to a single metro area, sharing numbers is an effective way to keep things simple.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 07:00 PM   #1090
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In countries like Germany and France there are many roads with the same numbers.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 07:03 PM   #1091
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I have never in my entire life thought it could cause problems that different countries in EU have the same names and numbers for their motorways. On the other side I experienced a situation when I made a mistake and used number from german network on a motorway from another country or vice versa.
Haha. I'd say that's not a design flaw, but a momentary lapse in concentration. Happens to the best of us.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #1092
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In countries like Germany and France there are many roads with the same numbers.
Really? That's retarded.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #1093
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I think he's referring to unfinished autobahns with missing sections...
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Old January 17th, 2011, 07:51 PM   #1094
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No, Communal, Departemental Routes in France and Landesstrassen and Kreisstrassen in Germany. The latter aren't signposted though.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:33 PM   #1095
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Do you mean there're e.g. two B100s, or the prefix is different? We also have A2 and H2, but that's not the same.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:38 PM   #1096
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I'm surprised people didn't post more videos here, roads are intented to move on, hence you should judge them while moving and not only by looking at one static picture.













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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #1097
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Do you mean there're e.g. two B100s, or the prefix is different? We also have A2 and H2, but that's not the same.
No, in France and Germany road numbers are reused in other districts. For example K1 can be found in just about any district in Germany.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 08:50 PM   #1098
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Not only three digit interstate numbers are repeated: there are two of each I-76, 84, 86, 88!

Beside that there is one I-35, two I-35E, and two I-35W.

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In countries like Germany and France there are many roads with the same numbers.
Or in Italy: provincial roads start from SP 1 in each province.
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Old January 17th, 2011, 09:03 PM   #1099
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Yeah.

And I have decided what are the best roads of the world: The continental Europe ones. The worst ones are the UK ones, because they drive on the left and use miles (But I have heard they have kmposts, not mileposts, on the motorways). And falling between, the USA (Driving on the right side but using miles, bad), Ireland and Japan (Using kilometers but driving on the left, bad).
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Old January 17th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #1100
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British should drive on the right side of the road

Seriously, there is no a "better" side of driving, it's just question of habit. But it's true than swapping side is annoying, the UK should have done it 40 years ago with Sweden. Now it's too late.

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Back to numbering: it's maybe annoying changing number at the border, but it's even more stupid when this happens in the same country: A14-S16-A12 and S6-S36-S37 in Austria, A1-S6 in Poland, ...
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