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Old January 21st, 2011, 02:26 AM   #1141
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Old January 21st, 2011, 06:48 AM   #1142
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Germany motorways are not that great at all. There are a lot off exits with very tight slip roads and short acceleration/deceleration lanes. Some of the old ones have narrow or even non existent hard shoulder/emergency lane.
For me, all the superlatives about German motorways are partly mythical, caused by lack of speed limits on some sections. Sure, there are some great stretches but so they are in the US.
French motorways are great (especially the surface because geometry or other design aspects are not especially spectacular) but stupid tolls completely destroy driving experience, at least for me.
Netherlands motorways are fine, UK ones too, but I don't see big superiority in quality over the US interstates.
In UK strong points is that motorways are mostly with three lanes.
In US I like wide median, feeling of space (outside urban areas) and some stack intersections. They are truly amazing. Come on guys, what in our backyard beats "high five" in Dallas?
Paving varies, I experienced great and really bad one. But the same applies to EU.
I don't understand complaining about signposting in US. I never got lost there, even driving in unfamiliar urban areas, despite never using satnavs.
Signposting in US is clear and consistent. It's big advantage over EU system of 27 sets of road signs, 27 road numbering and naming systems, 27 of everything actually. It's huge mess comparing with logical US system.
Well, personally I liked what I saw of German motorways. They were nicely surfaced, drivers (although fast) were sensible. Signage was good.

Now I'm from the UK. I know I'm going to get flamed and bashed for this, but in comparison with the equivalent of motorways here in Florida, the UK's somewhat limited network is vastly superior in terms of quality to the highways of Florida. If I compare (for example) the M6 to I-95, I-95 will clearly win on the "I have more lanes than you" contest, but it will lose in every other department, including signage, safety, number of exits, quality of the road surface, length of merge lanes and overall safety. If the UK had a more extensive motorway network, it would literally piss all over the US interstate network with flying colours (sorry). Sadly, the network is nowhere near as extensive as it should be, so it's too close of a contest.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 06:50 AM   #1143
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Yes, the incomplete motorway network is a major setback for Europe, even if you think of Europe as "EU". There are still many missing links, also in western Europe, but more so in central and southeastern Europe. Of course, this can be explained historically, but it doesn't bode well for Europe in a comparison.

The United States overall has been a very wealthy country for many decades. Europe, in part, was just as wealthy, but there are also areas of Europe where wealth is just starting to accelerate, and the road network goes accordingly (and sometimes not).

Lastly, the U.S. had a centrally planned and funded Interstate Highway network. Something like that on such a scale never existed in Europe. All roads and motorways are funded out of the regular budget, which are generally surprisingly tight considering our much higher taxes.
Comparing the US interstate network to the EU's motorways is like comparing a Lincoln Navigator to a Mercedes Benz. One is much bigger, the other is better engineered. Either option involves a trade-off.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 08:23 AM   #1144
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Of course not. Quite the opposite. You cannot make mistakes in Europe, but you can in the US. What if someone has to take the I-something in North Dakota and end up taking the I-something in South Dakota?
How could someone possibly make a mistake? Let's take I-275 in Metro Detroit, you'd have drive 200+ miles south to Cincinatti to see it again. Even the dense northeast corridor there is plently distance between between route number to avoid confusion I'll give you another example between I-295 in Providence and I-295 Portland are 150 miles apart

And road signage is exceedingly clear in the US compared to an number of EU countries especially the UK, France and Italy. They're well organized destinations are clear without providing too much info


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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:19 AM   #1145
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How could someone possibly make a mistake?
I was just making an example, I don't know if there's a really possibility to get confused. But, since when I heard about a former collegue of mine who was to take a flight to Konstanz in Germany and found herself at Constanta in Romania (in many languages those cities share the same name), I think that everything's possible...
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Old January 21st, 2011, 11:26 AM   #1146
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Trains to Tirano and Torino (250 km away by road or by train) in Milano Centrale leave from two adjacent tracks Confusion is quite common.
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Old January 21st, 2011, 12:54 PM   #1147
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When judging on who or what is better, we should also look to the past.

Late 60's and early 70's in Belgium
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Old February 25th, 2011, 07:52 AM   #1148
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European Highways Rock!! (although massachussets highways look very european)

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Well, I am from US, and I've been and drove in few European countries (Spain and France). What I noticed, that the pavement quality in Spain is
higher then in US (however it depends on where in US you drive of course), but there were few things that made driving there not as comfortable as in US - if you look at those pictures that you posted when the road curves it stays flat, so you'd have to reduce speed, while in US freeways are not flat on curves, moreover most US highways have raised pavement markers (which I didn't see in Spain or France, and on any German autobahn picture I looked at) which make night driving in US way better.

Many people complaint about concrete here....well, I personally prefer concrete over alphalt as on concrete road the night visibility is way better.
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Old March 30th, 2011, 10:10 AM   #1149
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Which is the longest highway in the world? By longest I mean you never exit. Here are some videos from US highways

I-95 East in Maryland



I-5 North in Seattle


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Old March 30th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #1150
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I'm inclined to say the EU has better roads, but I haven't been in too many countries ( I've only been in the UK, NL, BE, LUX, DE, PL and FR, so only the (wealthy) northwest and Poland ) and haven't ever been in the US, so I'll refrain from voting until I do the road trip in the US I always wanted to do and when I get a good idea how the roads in the south and southeast are (Eg. Spain, Italy, Koratia, Bulgaria, etc...).
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Old March 30th, 2011, 08:07 PM   #1151
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Bulgaria still has terrible roads. Probably the worst in EU
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Old March 30th, 2011, 10:53 PM   #1152
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Bulgaria still has terrible roads. Probably the worst in EU
nope, Latvia does
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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:26 AM   #1153
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do you have any pics or videos?
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Old March 31st, 2011, 01:28 AM   #1154
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most of the roads look like that


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Old March 31st, 2011, 09:31 PM   #1155
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40% of Bulgarian roads are in good condition,40% are drivable and 20% are in bad condition according to the Minister of Regional Development.

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Old April 1st, 2011, 07:01 AM   #1156
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As we're descending down a raging spiral of petty arguments and Hitler and Nazis have already been mentioned several times, I'll take the chance to say this. I know this isn't a very constructive comment nor an important attribute to judge by, but I have to say most US Interstates that I've seen are pretty damn ugly. But I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
From what I've heard from a rather biased source of mine (uncle), Virginia makes every effort to hide highway interchanges with trees and hills and stuff to make it all look natural. Texas, on the other hand, uses nothing but concrete and makes no effort to keep anything hidden, natural looking, or of prudently small size. The concrete pillars that Texas paints up to look all prettyful, Virginia makes a concerted effort to hide.

I'm pretty familiar with Virginia's highways, most notably Interstates 81, 66, and some of Interstate 64, numerous secondary roads, and a handful of unpaved mountain roads. But I've never been to Texas so I can't compare our highways to theirs, and I've just got to take his word for it.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 12:14 PM   #1157
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European motorways differ greatly by country. Two close neighbours - Germany and France - have very different motorways in terms of marking, curvature, signage, rest areas and finally driving culture. I love German autobahn and German drivers, but man, German rest areas suck big time! French drivers suck, French signage suck, but their rest areas are superb. Does it mean as a whole German autobahn is superior to French autoroute? Of course, no. Same logic applies when comparing the US motorways with the EU motorways.

Having said that... So far, the only thing I am damn sure about is that Californian motorways are absolutely THE WORST compared to Western European motorways and motorways from other US states
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Rest areas along the older motorways in Europe tend to suck anyway, unless it's a tolled road. In countries with newer motorway systems (like Portugal or France) the rest areas are generally outstanding, but in countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Germany or Denmark don't be surprised if all you find is a small number of parking lots, a few benches and garbage bins. Of course there are well-equipped rest areas too, but they are further apart.
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Old April 5th, 2011, 12:15 AM   #1159
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), but there were few things that made driving there not as comfortable as in US - if you look at those pictures that you posted when the road curves it stays flat, so you'd have to reduce speed, while in US freeways are not flat on curves, moreover most US highways have raised pavement markers (which I didn't see in Spain or France, and on any German autobahn picture I looked at) which make night driving in US way better.
All that you mention here, we have as well. Our freeway have been inclining in bends since the 60's
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Old April 5th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #1160
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I am not sure what you guys mean. What does flat road mean? and what is in the US
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