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Old April 5th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #1161
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Rest areas along the older motorways in Europe tend to suck anyway, unless it's a tolled road. In countries with newer motorway systems (like Portugal or France) the rest areas are generally outstanding, but in countries like Belgium, Netherlands, Germany or Denmark don't be surprised if all you find is a small number of parking lots, a few benches and garbage bins. Of course there are well-equipped rest areas too, but they are further apart.
The US is like that too in that regard. The toll road sections of the Interstates such as the Ohio Turnpike, Indiana Toll Road, Pennsylvania Turnpike, New York State Thruway, Kansas Turnpike, all of the tolled Chicagoland expressways, Massachusetts Turnpike, New Jersey Turnpike, etc all have good rest areas with gas stations/convenience stores/restaurants and free wi-fi.

However on most non-tolled interstate highways the rest areas basically just consist of a parking lot, some public restrooms, and a few vending machines.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 01:19 AM   #1162
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I am not sure what you guys mean. What does flat road mean? and what is in the US
They're talking about superelevation of curves, to counteract the effect of centripetal force when taking a turn at high speed.

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From what I've heard from a rather biased source of mine (uncle), Virginia makes every effort to hide highway interchanges with trees and hills and stuff to make it all look natural. Texas, on the other hand, uses nothing but concrete and makes no effort to keep anything hidden, natural looking, or of prudently small size. The concrete pillars that Texas paints up to look all prettyful, Virginia makes a concerted effort to hide.
Virginia's native flora consists mainly of fast-growing hardwood trees, while in the populated areas of Texas, it either consists of scrub that would be unsuited toward camouflage purposes, pines that take too long to grow, or sensitive plants that the toxic highway runoff would kill. Texas also has universal frontage roads, which makes surface-level interchanges inconvenient. Finally, stacks are the most efficient kind of interchange, and Texas' climate is such that icing on the tall bridges would not be an issue during the winter. It snows and ices in Virginia just enough for stacks to be a considerable problem.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 04:31 AM   #1163
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USA have good highways, however they must improve more their signages. This is a shame for the US network of highways IMO.

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writing signages are totally useless, logically drivers must stay driving not reading losing fractions of second and not everyone understand English.

I remember the movie "Magnum force" after the murder of Rica where you can see two signages "Do not enter" and "wrong way" near the crime scene don't know if they improve after 40 years but in Europe this is enough with this.

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Old April 6th, 2011, 04:33 AM   #1164
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There slowly Europeanized things in this region with signs.....making them more picture like instead of words....along with upgrading roads to Euro standards...
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Old April 6th, 2011, 04:35 AM   #1165
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Actually, the standards are mostly the same when it comes to motorway construction. I can't think of any motorways that aren't built to very high standards in the EU. Sure, there are some old ones that were built when standards weren't as high as they are today, but that goes for Interstates too, not to mention the many "freeway" classified roads that are not part of the Interstate system.

As always, it seems that in the US quantity is what matters while in Europe it's quality before quantity (though the quantity is for the most part adequate).
That's how it always is in the US. People prefer quantity over quality for some unknown reason.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 11:04 AM   #1166
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writing signages are totally useless, logically drivers must stay driving not reading losing fractions of second and not everyone understand English.

I remember the movie "Magnum force" after the murder of Rica where you can see two signages "Do not enter" and "wrong way" near the crime scene don't know if they improve after 40 years but in Europe this is enough with this.


Well, and these aren't even the real signs, used in most European nations, over here they look like this.

Do not Enter



No left turns


Wrong way


One way, as signed when entering a one-way street in the middle



One way, signed at the beginning of the street

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Old April 6th, 2011, 07:34 PM   #1167
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Why compare 27 countries to one country (although large country).

isn't country vs. supranational union threads against rules in this forum?

USA have one standard in which is used every parts of the country, but in EU-area there are different standards in every country so comparison is not wise.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #1168
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USA have good highways, however they must improve more their signages. This is a shame for the US network of highways IMO.
I think our (USA) signs are way better, there is no confusion since it says right on the sign what it means.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #1169
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Even though my driving expierence in the US is limited to the state of New York and New Jersey, I prefer Europe(15) over the US.
Even though I liked driving in the US, the road quality gravely disapointed me.
I've never seen such bad pavement quality as over there.
People who claim that there isn't that much difference, are either blind, don't know how to use Google Streetview or haven't been in both unions.
Roads in the US are quite old, so the pavement quality isn't going to be the best.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 12:15 PM   #1170
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I think our (USA) signs are way better, there is no confusion since it says right on the sign what it means.
So do ours, but the problem of US signage is that it very often uses written text only, symbols are clearer AND you can make signs bigger while decreasing their total size!

What's so unclear about this?



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Roads in the US are quite old, so the pavement quality isn't going to be the best.
So are ours but we actually renovate them during their lifespan.

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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:09 PM   #1171
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how's this thread created to compare one nation vs one continent?

it makes no sense at all. one country vs different countries with their own way of doing things. apples and oranges. is this one of those Europeans things where they beg Americans to pay attention to them?

a bunch of geniuses around here.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #1172
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Roads in the US are quite old, so the pavement quality isn't going to be the best.
An old road is not an excuse for bad pavement.

Germany has built over 2000 miles of freeways before 1943 (the largest network in the world at the time). Most of whom are now in good to excellent condition.

Highway engineering and operation goes a bit further than just building a road and then forget about it. Roads need repaving every few years. Every 10 years for asphalt and every 20 - 30 years for concrete. Having freeways with the same surface for over 50 years is ridiculous. Especially with concrete, which you cannot patch up easily. A concrete pavement renovation requires almost a full reconstruction of the existing road. It's a bit more expensive than just another layer of asphalt, and that's why they've postponed it too long in the United States.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #1173
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It also depends on the original quality of the pavement. For example, here in Ontario newly-repaved asphalt roads tend to wear out and incur significant damage in just a few years. It is quite common for a road here to be repaved and then after just 1-2 winters it fills up with cracks and even deep potholes. I once broke the suspension on one of the wheels in my car because of such a pothole.

The excuse given is that the freeze-thaw cycle in the winter, combined with the scraping of the pavement by snowploughs, causes this damage. This is actually true, but it doesn't seem to be a problem in many European countries, which also have severe winter conditions.

I heard at some point (don't remember what the source was, however) that it is a known fact that the asphalt used in Toronto is not suitable for our conditions, but it is still used because it is much cheaper. I guess at least our road taxes are much lower than in Europe.

I wonder - does the porous asphalt used in NL hold up much better in the winter?
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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #1174
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I wonder - does the porous asphalt used in NL hold up much better in the winter?
No, although they increased its durability in recent years. They say it needs renovation every 9 - 12 years. There could be some patchworks every few years, but nothing on a serious scale. Most winter repairs can be executed in one night or even a few hours because they also have cold asphalt available.
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how's this thread created to compare one nation vs one continent?

it makes no sense at all. one country vs different countries with their own way of doing things. apples and oranges. is this one of those Europeans things where they beg Americans to pay attention to them?

a bunch of geniuses around here.
There are a lot of people in Europe who are so small-minded that they consider their way the "international" way, when it's really just the European way, and when you dare to not conform you're just doing it to be different. (And unfortunately, there are Americans prepared to go along with this belief.) These are same sort of people who consider not caring about soccer, for example, a sign of backwardness.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 06:47 PM   #1176
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So do ours, but the problem of US signage is that it very often uses written text only, symbols are clearer AND you can make signs bigger while decreasing their total size!
And there are no text-only signs in Belgium - some on the previous page? (Forgetting about how widely our respective languages are understood....)

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So are ours but we actually renovate them during their lifespan.
So do we. Now you're just being a [self-censored].
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There slowly Europeanized things in this region with signs.....making them more picture like instead of words....along with upgrading roads to Euro standards...
Why is switching to "Euro" standards necessarily an upgrade?
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Old April 7th, 2011, 07:15 PM   #1178
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how's this thread created to compare one nation vs one continent?
What's wrong with that? The US is bigger than the EU (we're not talking about all Europe), so the comparison seems in place. You can even compare the US to Mars. We all know why there're no roads on Mars, but you can compare them anyway.
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Why is switching to "Euro" standards necessarily an upgrade?
I agree partially with your point, but switching to pictorial signs in place of text is simply better, and it happens that in Europe pictorial signs predominate. It doesn't mean that everything North American is worse.

For example, I much prefer using yellow to separate traffic flow in opposite directions. I also think that priorite-a-droit should be the rare exception, rather than the norm as it is in several European countries (though I do think that we have to be more precise and consistent in this regard).
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Old April 7th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #1180
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The US is bigger than the EU (we're not talking about all Europe), so the comparison seems in place.
EU population: 500 000 000

USA population: 310 000 000

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