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Old May 8th, 2011, 10:53 AM   #1241
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Interesting.

A few comparisons seem flawed to me though. For instance, ranking the U.S. next to Spain seems weird, since Spain arguably has the best infrastructure in Europe. And high-speed rail is not there to please rail enthusiasts. Tax payers have better things to spend money on. You build high-speed rail if it's necessary, not for other reasons. Also; comparing the Acela to TGV Paris - Lyon travel times is also not correct, Acela runs through almost continuously urbanized areas while the TGV passes through large areas with nothing.

Another issue is that high motorist taxes does not necessarily represent good infrastructure. Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands have the highest taxes in Europe while the infrastructure is not much more than adequate. Compare that to low-taxed Spain which has outstanding infrastructure, whether it is road, rail or air.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #1242
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Having driven now 100% of the Danish motorways, I can say for most of the time the road quality is not much better than "acceptable" or "mediocre". Relatively few roads have absolutely smooth surface. Maybe DK should spend a little more in maintenance, many roads are patched up, sometimes so much the entire roadway is patched, with few of the original pavement remaining. Roads like that require full top layer replacement. Second, nearly all roads are extremely noisy compared to Germany (non-concrete) and the Netherlands.
I think the "problem" is that the Vejdirektoratet (the body responsible for maintaining the motorways) have extensive plans formajor upgrades of the motorways, as we are currently seeing on O3, route 21, E20/E47 and which we will soon see on E45. They do not want to spend too much money on maintaining a road, that will soon be upgraded anyway, so they just keep them at a drivable standard.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #1243
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Here is article from last week The Economist:

http://www.economist.com/node/186209...20944&fsrc=rss
Just read it. That was depressing....
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Old May 8th, 2011, 05:36 PM   #1244
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Many of these disputes EU roads vs US same, I guess depends on what vehicle you´re in.

Driving one of these, on concrete highways in the US, ....



will feel the same, as in one of these on the most EU highways ....



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Old May 8th, 2011, 07:44 PM   #1245
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Dude, VW Polo is one of the coolest cars in existence.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 08:48 PM   #1246
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Not to mention that not everyone drives an SUV in the US and a small car in the EU.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #1247
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don't you think the size itself of the average car in Europe's got bigger, I do?

Europe's engineering's superior.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:05 PM   #1248
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Compare a 1980's Corsa to a 2010 Corsa. They've become much bigger. Although they are still relatively small cars, the age of cars where a grown man barely fit into is kind of over.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:20 PM   #1249
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don't you think the size itself of the average car in Europe's got bigger, I do?
That's what I said.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:30 PM   #1250
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One of the first cars (built I suppose in the 1980s) I drove was so small that my foot pressed the accelerator to the maximum and my knee touched the steering wheel. Driving that car proved nearly impossible for me. I'm not so high now (1m90), but at that time I was only 16 years old...(I tested it on a private circuit of a driving school).
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #1251
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At the same time cars smaller than the former compact cars have been introduced. But its true, cars where you barely fit into are not very common anymore. But many cars, especially in the US are quite a bit larger than they'd need to bit to offer sufficient space for the people.
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Old May 8th, 2011, 09:56 PM   #1252
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Also, bigger doesn't mean that it's more comfortable. Passenger comfort relies on the suspension and American cars tend to have far softer suspension than European cars.
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Old May 9th, 2011, 05:14 AM   #1253
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USA highways are more appealing to the eyes. Interstates look so nice. Not just the actual highway, but the sound barriers, concrete barriers, overpasses, grass and trees.
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My opinion is totally opposite - US highways are impressive, but quite ugly visually.
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Old May 9th, 2011, 10:52 PM   #1255
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USA highways are more appealing to the eyes. Interstates look so nice. Not just the actual highway, but the sound barriers, concrete barriers, overpasses, grass and trees.
I agree. That's why some of my favorite highways in Sweden are the ones that look like your average rural interstate.

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E4 between Tierp and Uppsala. Concrete pavement, wide grassy median and cops in Chevys









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Old May 9th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #1256
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I agree. That's why some of my favorite highways in Sweden are the ones that look like your average rural interstate.

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E4 between Tierp and Uppsala. Concrete pavement, wide grassy median and cops in Chevys



Was this originally an U turn interchange?
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Old May 9th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #1257
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Was this originally an U turn interchange?
No. The road was opened in 2007. Turning points for emergency vehicles are common in Sweden.
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Old May 9th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #1258
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Clever! Never seen thoose over here.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 05:12 AM   #1259
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Clever! Never seen thoose over here.
They're common in the States but they're much more crude in construction, just a simple gravel path across the median, with a small "authorized vehicles only" sign, and sometimes hidden by bushes so the police can hide and run radar checks.
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Old May 10th, 2011, 04:46 PM   #1260
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They are in every country i think. You find them on every motorway in Norway to Norsko, sometimes with removable fence, sometimes with cones and sometimes with a raising gate. Used for running trafic from one side to the other during roadworks, but also by police.

Here is one on E6 with a raising gate:
http://maps.google.no/?ie=UTF8&ll=59...17.47,,0,12.04
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