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Old May 11th, 2011, 10:07 PM   #1281
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On the other hand, the Italian, German, British, Belgian and Dutch networks were nearly completed by that time. Age should not be of influence. We don't build motorways which are subsequently left to deteriorate without proper maintenance.

European motorist taxes frequently bring in 2 - 6 times more they spend on the highway system. On the other hand, American motorist taxes do not get further than 75%. Hence, nearly all improvement nowadays seem to be toll roads.

I'd rather pay a somewhat higher gas tax than tolls. Do you know how much it costs to cross through France? Over € 70 or almost $ 100. One way!
- Sorry about doing consecutive posts again - [hangs head in shame]

The age of the roads came up a few posts back in the context of design, not maintenance.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 12:19 AM   #1282
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That has always been my impression as well. Americans do what they need to do to make their roads work. They always start from a practical point of view while the esthetic part has always been an important factor in Europe.

More European anti-Americanism, how original.

Let's see, public transport, public health, crime, and, last but not least, soccer all better in Europe.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 01:17 AM   #1283
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The age of the highway doesn't weight on how aesthetically pleasing it is. Lots of Michigan's interstates were opened a long time ago, yet they still look great. They made a point of it to make the highways aesthetically pleasing back then too. I love how I-94 through metro detroit is sunken into the ground and surrounded by grassy hills on each side with nice trees. Add some new pavement and some nice big cement barriers in the middle and it doesn't get better than that IMO
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Old May 12th, 2011, 01:22 AM   #1284
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Look at this pic Nexis took. Everything is such high quality. The cement, the lamp poles, the cultured lawn, everything. Europe doesn't have this quality
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Old May 12th, 2011, 01:57 AM   #1285
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Is this in Detroit?
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #1286
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I really like what I see @VoltAmps, but we do have roads of similar quality as well. Luckily
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:08 AM   #1287
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Look at this pic Nexis took. Everything is such high quality. The cement, the lamp poles, the cultured lawn, everything. Europe doesn't have this quality
LOL , yea thats the New Urban Jersey Highway standard. But i'm pretty sure Europe does have that quality , infact the redesign of this highway was based off some European ones. The City is mostly European....so they tend to have nicer roads and Railways...
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Old May 12th, 2011, 06:18 AM   #1288
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Abit off-topic, but for those who have been to malaysia, how do Malaysian highways/ interstate roads fare compared to Europe & US ?
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #1289
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Look at this pic Nexis took. Everything is such high quality. The cement, the lamp poles, the cultured lawn, everything. Europe doesn't have this quality
Luckily for us, we do offer this quality (and more)...



Especially the Dutch are very strict in making everything look perfect


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Old May 12th, 2011, 11:20 PM   #1290
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Speaking about Europe. Is Madrid the european city with most Motorway Kilometers?.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 12:09 AM   #1291
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Sounds plausible. Lisbon, Frankfurt and Paris would also be high on such a list.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #1292
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What about Berlin and Moscow?
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Old May 13th, 2011, 02:17 AM   #1293
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Sounds plausible. Lisbon, Frankfurt and Paris would also be high on such a list.
Thanks for the answer. It's just that if you see Google Maps, Madrid has so much Motorways, in proportion of its area. The Motorway density, I think its the biggest in the world, perhaps bigger than American Cities; I don't know if this is correct, it's just a guess.

Paris and Frankfurt are cities with larger area than Madrid, that's why you can't see the same density.

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Old May 13th, 2011, 04:44 AM   #1294
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I don't agree on the U.S. highways being ugly. For a large part, that's what shown on television
I see 99% of pics of US highways on SSC, not TV, so I know what they look like.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 03:10 PM   #1295
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I see 99% of pics of US highways on SSC, not TV, so I know what they look like.
Have you seen 99% of all american highways?
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Old May 13th, 2011, 03:45 PM   #1296
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No, my statement says something else. Anyway, it's just my opinion, so I don't know why you're so upset about it.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #1297
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Though not a city in a true sense, the Rhein-Ruhr area in Germany has a very high Motorway density as well. (And we're talking about a pretty large area with a high density.)
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Old May 14th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #1298
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Maybe the Pearl River Delta (Hong Kong - Shenzhen - Guangzhou) or Keihanshin (Osaka - Kobe - Kyoto). These are polycentric. The Seoul region is also becoming somewhat more polycentric.
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Old May 14th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #1299
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That's what I said.
Must've "had said" (enormous difference ). Plus realistically, ⅓ of driving N-Americans drive SUVs, not "everyone".
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Old May 14th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #1300
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Must've "had said".
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