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Old May 14th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #1301
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Must've "had said" (enormous difference ). Plus realistically, ⅓ of driving N-Americans drive SUVs, not "everyone".
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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Old May 14th, 2011, 07:14 PM   #1302
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You could expand that to include all of NRW, Belgium and NL. Certainly not in any way comparable to a city like Madrid, but is there any other area in the world that can be compared to it?
So I guess, We all agree. Madrid is the city with the highest Motorway Density of the World.

Some American Cities have a lot of Motorway Kilometers, like LA, Houston, or Dallas, but the city area is larger than any European City; so the Motorway density tend to be smaller than a city like Madrid, or even Paris and Frankfurth. Eventhought I see that Dallas-FW area has more motorway density than LA.

That is my perception.

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Old May 14th, 2011, 07:51 PM   #1303
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So I guess, We all agree. Madrid is the city with the highest Motorway Density of the World.

Some American Cities have a lot of Motorway Kilometers, like LA, Houston, or Dallas, but the city area is larger than any European City; so the Motorway density tend to be smaller than a city like Madrid, or even Paris and Frankfurth. Eventhought I see that Dallas-FW area has more motorway density than LA.

That is my perception.

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We don't all agree. (Or disagree, necessarily.) Density, in this context, would be a product of the length of motorway and the land area involved. The problem is determining the land-area side of the equation. I don't know Madrid's geography, so how about Paris? The actual city limits only include the Périphérique and the very last meters of the A1, A3, etc. Which isn't high-density at all. So we take the metropolitan area. Which is totally reasonable, but does it have a set definition? Depending on where you say the metropolitan area ends (do you take the entire political entity of the "Région Île-de-France"? Do you eliminate the parts of it that are still in fact rural? If so, you could debate about places that are on the edge of the urban/suburban area... Do you go with government definitions, which are going to vary from one country to the next?), you'll get very different land areas. So I don't see how we answer your question without agreeing on a consistent definition of "city" (really metropolitan area) first.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 03:14 AM   #1304
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You're so horribly complicated. How about it doesn't matter how big a city is? If there's no city, there won't be many motorways, I guess. So when you see a bunch of motorways somewhere on a map (probably a big city hiding there), just draw a circle around them or sth and there you have your area.
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You're so horribly complicated. How about it doesn't matter how big a city is? If there's no city, there won't be many motorways, I guess. So when you see a bunch of motorways somewhere on a map (probably a big city hiding there), just draw a circle around them or sth and there you have your area.
Well, excuse me! I was trying to answer the question I thought he was asking. No one forced you to read my complicated post.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 03:26 AM   #1306
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Can't you compare densities just by looking at a map anyway?
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Old May 15th, 2011, 03:34 AM   #1307
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Can't you compare densities just by looking at a map anyway?
Density - as I'm defining it and as the person who asked the question did - is a product of kilometers (or miles) and area. See his post (I'm responsible for bolding part of it): "Some American Cities have a lot of Motorway Kilometers, like LA, Houston, or Dallas, but the city area is larger than any European City; so the Motorway density tend to be smaller than a city like Madrid, or even Paris and Frankfurth."

Hence my post that bothered you so....
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Old May 15th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #1308
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They have no idea how American cities are spread. LA area is 120 miles (200 km) from north to south and probably 100 miles (160 km) from west to east. Seattle (15th largest area in the US) is longer and wider than Madrid - 75 miles (120 km) from north to south and 25 miles (40 km) from west to east. Most Americans live in houses while most Europeans live in apartments in tall buildings.

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Old May 15th, 2011, 12:01 PM   #1309
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Most Americans live in houses while most Europeans live in apartments in tall buildings.
I think you have to improve your image of Europe.
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Old May 15th, 2011, 02:10 PM   #1310
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Old May 15th, 2011, 05:42 PM   #1312
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Many European cities have tunnels running under them. They're often conflict free and operate as underground expressways. The reason these tunnels were built is because of the historic value of the cities













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Old May 17th, 2011, 11:42 AM   #1314
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For example you can see Madrid, M-30 highway ringroad and underground with 43 Km.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEalKZRpyl4

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Old May 17th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #1315
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We have plans to cover alot of Urban Freeways , not so much as boring a Tunnel but covering a Cut with a lid park. Alot of towns and cities were divided by highways , so lid parks are a way of uniting those towns and cities together again and there gaining steam. Trenton was the first Jersey City to get one along a Small Waterfront section of NJ 29.

I-676 in Center City Philly
I-287/87 in Nyack > Park / Transit station
I-280 in West / East Orange & Newark - Park / Busway on the Freeway
I-78 in Newark
I-95 in Bronx , still in proposed staged
I-90 / NEC in Boston
I-278 in Brooklyn
NY-27 in Brooklyn


NJ 29 Tunnel in Trenton

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New Jersey State Route 29 by dougtone, on Flickr

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Old May 18th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #1316
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Old May 18th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #1317
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They do wanna cover the 101 in Downtown LA, which would be great!

http://inhabitat.com/greening-downto...eles-park-101/

I hope this is gonna happen sooner than later.
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Old May 19th, 2011, 08:27 AM   #1318
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Montreal in Canada has a few underground motorways.

In Toronto one of the proposals for the Gardiner Expressway has always been to bury it as well, but since we will never actually have money for it (and I must admit that expanding our public transit should be a higher priority at this time) this won't be done anytime in the foreseeable future.
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Old May 21st, 2011, 08:31 PM   #1319
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Montreal has only the Ville-marie and the Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine tunnels, while the NDG and the Dorval tunnels are just short, entrenched cut-and-cover underpasses. And as far as having any of -- -- -- these:
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the only instance I can think of is where Berri Street's sunk under Sherbrook Street East (the Pine/Park interchange has been gone a few years now).

Besides, Montreal's network's crumbling, disintegrating...the island's state of affairs nears nowhere close to the stellar-appearing infrastructure posted above: maybe Montreal might be better at trains instead
(the appearance of the historic Trenton one shames me!!)

By the way, I do wonder at the state of British Columbia's Delta tunnel in this day & age

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Old May 22nd, 2011, 01:57 PM   #1320
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About 90 percent of the Interstate system, as it now stands, was open by 1980. Many if not most of their French and Spanish counterparts are newer.
Most of the UK system was built 1958-1978
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