#Scrapped: Emerald Tower - 73st/230m/res (Part 2) - Page 3

Brissy4me · May 3rd, 2006, 07:11 AM

Thanks DeejayT. I managed to find a quick article about E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tower

Brissy4me · May 3rd, 2006, 07:15 AM

It's good that there are precedents set by the High Court, this might affect the state government's attempts to protect state interest.

KJBrissy · May 8th, 2006, 03:55 AM

If the DA for the landscaping is here: http://www.ourbrisbane.com/public/DA...6?pagenumber=2
will the DA for Emarld also be here??

Brissy4me · May 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM

Has Emerald lodged a DA again? Or is this a while away yet?

KJBrissy · June 10th, 2006, 12:33 PM

Does anyone know the timeframe for approval...can't be too long now surely??

Maroon Grown · June 11th, 2006, 04:26 AM

go to this IDAS flow chart site. Answer the questions and it will give u a flow chart of the application process and how long the maximum period will take.

http://www.ipa.qld.gov.au/idas/idasFlowCharts.asp

KJBrissy · June 14th, 2006, 10:06 AM

Channell 9 news just said emerald tower got knocked back again!!!

***BrizzyChris*** · June 14th, 2006, 10:08 AM

Yeah, I just heard that too, saying it didn't fit in with the heritage of the area (haha, like Willahra does???) and that traffic would be a big problem.

Locke · June 14th, 2006, 10:15 AM

Flippin heck, this is really shitting me off:

Boyle refuses Emerald Towers DA for the second time
Wednesday 14 June 2006

Planning Minister Desley Boyle has again refused the development application for the controversial 77-storey Emerald Tower proposed for Brisbane's CBD.

Emerald Tower was proposed to be 231 metres high from ground-level Queen Street and built on a 1,529-square-metre block adjoining the heritage-listed Orient Hotel, near the junction of Queen and Ann Streets.

The DA was refused in October 2004, however, the decision was overturned by the Supreme Court because the state government had considered state interests, rather than only considering the requirements of Brisbane's City Plan 2000 in making the decision.

This time the government has assessed the application strictly against Brisbane's City Plan 2000.

"Reassessment of the Emerald Tower development has shown that if it were to go ahead it would have a negative impact on Brisbane's CBD, significantly changing the character of that part of Brisbane," Boyle says.

"The proposed building's height means it would not blend with the established urban character of that part of the city, significantly impacting on the area's heritage significance, views to landmark buildings and important city streetscapes.

"A 77-storey residential building would exacerbate existing site access problems. This particular site could not safely cope with the additional traffic generated by the scale of the development.

"In completing our assessment of the development proposal we have undertaken a thorough review of the application and sought the input of external specialist consultants.

"Based on this review, it is my opinion that the development does not meet the requirements of Brisbane's City Plan 2000."

Specifically, the Minister says the DA does not comply with heritage, traffic and planning requirements for the area.

"Therefore, I have refused the application for the tower," she says.

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SoulvisionQ1 · June 14th, 2006, 10:18 AM

I saw it too

SoulvisionQ1 · June 14th, 2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke

"The proposed building's height means it would not blend with the established urban character of that part of the city

AND VISION DOES???? OF COURSE NOT! O MY GOD!! WHAT A B#*$H!

marty_k · June 14th, 2006, 10:23 AM

There may be half a case for rejection based on the small block and how much traffic it would generate for the area, however all the other rubbish about it "not fitting in" is crap. Shame, Boyle, shame!

Locke · June 14th, 2006, 10:44 AM

She was meant to assess it under the old code right?

Emerald complied with this code from all accounts. This was in fact the crux of the problem for those opposed to the development wasn't it?

This new knockback just seems to repeat the old reasons. It seems vague and I can't figure how they reached the conclusion they did.

I'm just struck by the utter unfairness of it all.

I imagine this will end up back in court. Hope Emerald don't let the bastards get them down!

SoulvisionQ1 · June 14th, 2006, 11:01 AM

Go Emerald! If I were the developers I would sue the shit out of the government!

Locke · June 14th, 2006, 11:07 AM

Just some tidbits about Emerald people might not have known, a fine building:

________________________________
But Mr McLean said Emerald believed it had a product that would separate it from the crowd.

"No other tower project in Queensland is like this one and we believe people will respond to its location, design and special features," he said.

"We are taking the New York example and moving it here."

According to architect Greg Crone, of Crone Nation Architects, the $190 million "smart tower" will offer a mix of apartments, home offices and office suites, "each fitted with state-of-the-art technology, European appliances and top-quality finishes".

"The sky gardens on the upper floors will be created behind a double-skin, glass-curtain wall of non-reflective glass."

Emerald Tower will include five sky-rise penthouse suites, 24 sky-rise suites, 75 high-rise suites, 120 mid-rise suites and 120 low-rise suites.

There will also be undercover parking for 295 cars. Three concealed car parks will be constructed above ground and seven below ground.

Fortitude Valley architect Christian Skou, of Architects Skou + Urbanowicz, has been working on Emerald Towers in association with Crone Nation. He said other features would include retail outlets and cafes, a community and child-care centre, and a boulevard-style entry along Queen Street.

___________________________

Mr McLean said the development was not dependent on pre-sales and would go ahead as soon as the building approvals were through.

Among the special features listed on the plans are sky gardens on balconies above level 50 with double-skin glass curtains providing protection from the elements.

The tower will also have a green element with efficient water recycling and waste management and heat recovery and solar collection included in the design. There will also be 295 car parks and a boulevard along Queen Street.

On the ground level will be a foyer with public art, a retail and commercial space, gallery, coffee shop and a community and child care centre.

_________________________________________

BRISBANE'S tallest building also will be the city's most energy-efficient.

Emerald Tower project manager Chris McLean, of Sydney-based Emer-ald Developments, said the building would generate enough power to subsidise residents' electricity costs.

The residential tower will be covered in solar panels and instead of aircon-ditioners, air will be blown over chill pipes to keep the building cool.

Sustainable energy features are expected to make up $5 million of the development's $190 million price tag.

Mr McLean said he did not set out to make Emerald Tower the tallest in Brisbane, although architect Crone Nation is responsible for designing the tallest buildings in Sydney and Melbourne.

Emerald Tower will have mainly two and three-bedroom units, with some linked to offices for interstate travellers.

gerbilus · June 14th, 2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulvisionQ1

Go Emerald! If I were the developers I would sue the shit out of the government!

Unlikely.

The State would have covered all bases with this decision.

Alas, emerald is dead a buried.

As least we have vision, possibly empire and others to come

CULWULLA · June 14th, 2006, 11:22 AM

sounds like the site is a problem. emerald people should just find another site in cbd and relodge same da.problem solved. they have the $$$ so shouldnt be a problem.

SoulvisionQ1 · June 14th, 2006, 11:24 AM

ahhh NO! I didn't know that!! Now i am angry!

Lightning~Bolt · June 14th, 2006, 11:28 AM

Thats bullshit, this tower is a ripper, and I was looking forward to seeing it get underway with construction pics and updates, Brisbane planning really sucks, you got a fantastic tower, which DOES look good, and then reject it on the merits it will not fit in with the surrounding buildings, thats bullshit. How many times can they go back to get approval, or do thy have to significantly change the image of the building to get approval??? Surely there would be somwhere else in Brisbane to put it? hell, we will have it down here in Melbourne, will get approved instantly!

I know the feeling of rejection when it comes to scrapers, like Grollos tower in Melbourne, was shattering when that was rejected.

Locke · June 14th, 2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbilus

Unlikely.

The State would have covered all bases with this decision.

Alas, emerald is dead a buried.

As least we have vision, possibly empire and others to come

Well I'm sure they would have factored for this at Emerald, it's hardly a surprising response. I wouldn't say it's over necessarily. Don't forget we've said that many times before with Emerald.

But anyway tell us of the others, that 80 M/U, what we talking here gerbilus 250? 300?. Is that the Eagle Street Pier? New tallest maybe?

May 3rd, 2006, 07:11 AM	#41
Brissy4me Come as you are... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,527 Likes (Received): 0	Thanks DeejayT. I managed to find a quick article about E. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tower __________________ I don't recall saying that.

May 3rd, 2006, 07:15 AM	#42
Brissy4me Come as you are... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,527 Likes (Received): 0	It's good that there are precedents set by the High Court, this might affect the state government's attempts to protect state interest. __________________ I don't recall saying that.

May 8th, 2006, 03:55 AM	#43
KJBrissy ........... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 142	If the DA for the landscaping is here: http://www.ourbrisbane.com/public/DA...6?pagenumber=2 will the DA for Emarld also be here?? __________________ "Traditionally what has hurt people has not been rising interest rates but rising unemployment. I don't care what rate you're paying, if you have a mortgage five times your income and you lose your job, you're toast." Gerard Minack, chief economist at Morgan Stanley.

May 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM	#44
Brissy4me Come as you are... Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 1,527 Likes (Received): 0	Has Emerald lodged a DA again? Or is this a while away yet? __________________ I don't recall saying that.

June 10th, 2006, 12:33 PM	#45
KJBrissy ........... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 142	Does anyone know the timeframe for approval...can't be too long now surely?? __________________ "Traditionally what has hurt people has not been rising interest rates but rising unemployment. I don't care what rate you're paying, if you have a mortgage five times your income and you lose your job, you're toast." Gerard Minack, chief economist at Morgan Stanley.

June 11th, 2006, 04:26 AM	#46
Maroon Grown QUEENSLANDER!!! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brizzie Posts: 2,151 Likes (Received): 6	go to this IDAS flow chart site. Answer the questions and it will give u a flow chart of the application process and how long the maximum period will take. http://www.ipa.qld.gov.au/idas/idasFlowCharts.asp

June 14th, 2006, 10:06 AM	#47
KJBrissy ........... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,399 Likes (Received): 142	Channell 9 news just said emerald tower got knocked back again!!! __________________ "Traditionally what has hurt people has not been rising interest rates but rising unemployment. I don't care what rate you're paying, if you have a mortgage five times your income and you lose your job, you're toast." Gerard Minack, chief economist at Morgan Stanley.

June 14th, 2006, 10:08 AM	#48
*BrizzyChris* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,088 Likes (Received): 150	Yeah, I just heard that too, saying it didn't fit in with the heritage of the area (haha, like Willahra does???) and that traffic would be a big problem.

June 14th, 2006, 10:15 AM	#49
Locke alright, kick-ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,378 Likes (Received): 187	Flippin heck, this is really shitting me off: Boyle refuses Emerald Towers DA for the second time Wednesday 14 June 2006 Planning Minister Desley Boyle has again refused the development application for the controversial 77-storey Emerald Tower proposed for Brisbane's CBD. Emerald Tower was proposed to be 231 metres high from ground-level Queen Street and built on a 1,529-square-metre block adjoining the heritage-listed Orient Hotel, near the junction of Queen and Ann Streets. The DA was refused in October 2004, however, the decision was overturned by the Supreme Court because the state government had considered state interests, rather than only considering the requirements of Brisbane's City Plan 2000 in making the decision. This time the government has assessed the application strictly against Brisbane's City Plan 2000. "Reassessment of the Emerald Tower development has shown that if it were to go ahead it would have a negative impact on Brisbane's CBD, significantly changing the character of that part of Brisbane," Boyle says. "The proposed building's height means it would not blend with the established urban character of that part of the city, significantly impacting on the area's heritage significance, views to landmark buildings and important city streetscapes. "A 77-storey residential building would exacerbate existing site access problems. This particular site could not safely cope with the additional traffic generated by the scale of the development. "In completing our assessment of the development proposal we have undertaken a thorough review of the application and sought the input of external specialist consultants. "Based on this review, it is my opinion that the development does not meet the requirements of Brisbane's City Plan 2000." Specifically, the Minister says the DA does not comply with heritage, traffic and planning requirements for the area. "Therefore, I have refused the application for the tower," she says. Back __________________ You had me at meat tornado.

June 14th, 2006, 10:18 AM	#50
SoulvisionQ1 New Urbanist Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 4,197 Likes (Received): 79	I saw it too

June 14th, 2006, 10:23 AM	#52
marty_k Rant Machine Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Brisbane Posts: 298 Likes (Received): 0	There may be half a case for rejection based on the small block and how much traffic it would generate for the area, however all the other rubbish about it "not fitting in" is crap. Shame, Boyle, shame!

June 14th, 2006, 10:44 AM	#53
Locke alright, kick-ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,378 Likes (Received): 187	She was meant to assess it under the old code right? Emerald complied with this code from all accounts. This was in fact the crux of the problem for those opposed to the development wasn't it? This new knockback just seems to repeat the old reasons. It seems vague and I can't figure how they reached the conclusion they did. I'm just struck by the utter unfairness of it all. I imagine this will end up back in court. Hope Emerald don't let the bastards get them down! __________________ You had me at meat tornado.

June 14th, 2006, 11:01 AM	#54
SoulvisionQ1 New Urbanist Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 4,197 Likes (Received): 79	Go Emerald! If I were the developers I would sue the shit out of the government!

June 14th, 2006, 11:07 AM	#55
Locke alright, kick-ass Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 4,378 Likes (Received): 187	Just some tidbits about Emerald people might not have known, a fine building: ________________________________ But Mr McLean said Emerald believed it had a product that would separate it from the crowd. "No other tower project in Queensland is like this one and we believe people will respond to its location, design and special features," he said. "We are taking the New York example and moving it here." According to architect Greg Crone, of Crone Nation Architects, the $190 million "smart tower" will offer a mix of apartments, home offices and office suites, "each fitted with state-of-the-art technology, European appliances and top-quality finishes". "The sky gardens on the upper floors will be created behind a double-skin, glass-curtain wall of non-reflective glass." Emerald Tower will include five sky-rise penthouse suites, 24 sky-rise suites, 75 high-rise suites, 120 mid-rise suites and 120 low-rise suites. There will also be undercover parking for 295 cars. Three concealed car parks will be constructed above ground and seven below ground. Fortitude Valley architect Christian Skou, of Architects Skou + Urbanowicz, has been working on Emerald Towers in association with Crone Nation. He said other features would include retail outlets and cafes, a community and child-care centre, and a boulevard-style entry along Queen Street. ___________________________ Mr McLean said the development was not dependent on pre-sales and would go ahead as soon as the building approvals were through. Among the special features listed on the plans are sky gardens on balconies above level 50 with double-skin glass curtains providing protection from the elements. The tower will also have a green element with efficient water recycling and waste management and heat recovery and solar collection included in the design. There will also be 295 car parks and a boulevard along Queen Street. On the ground level will be a foyer with public art, a retail and commercial space, gallery, coffee shop and a community and child care centre. _________________________________________ BRISBANE'S tallest building also will be the city's most energy-efficient. Emerald Tower project manager Chris McLean, of Sydney-based Emer-ald Developments, said the building would generate enough power to subsidise residents' electricity costs. The residential tower will be covered in solar panels and instead of aircon-ditioners, air will be blown over chill pipes to keep the building cool. Sustainable energy features are expected to make up $5 million of the development's $190 million price tag. Mr McLean said he did not set out to make Emerald Tower the tallest in Brisbane, although architect Crone Nation is responsible for designing the tallest buildings in Sydney and Melbourne. Emerald Tower will have mainly two and three-bedroom units, with some linked to offices for interstate travellers. __________________ You had me at meat tornado.

June 14th, 2006, 11:22 AM	#57
CULWULLA Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 46,860 Likes (Received): 54	sounds like the site is a problem. emerald people should just find another site in cbd and relodge same da.problem solved. they have the $$$ so shouldnt be a problem. __________________ Sydney Harbour Bridge -1932, Sydney Opera House- 1973, Sydney Tower- 1981, Crown Hotel- 2015..

June 14th, 2006, 11:24 AM	#58
SoulvisionQ1 New Urbanist Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 4,197 Likes (Received): 79	ahhh NO! I didn't know that!! Now i am angry!

June 14th, 2006, 11:28 AM	#59
Lightning~Bolt Proud "Pricktorian" Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 504 Likes (Received): 0	Thats bullshit, this tower is a ripper, and I was looking forward to seeing it get underway with construction pics and updates, Brisbane planning really sucks, you got a fantastic tower, which DOES look good, and then reject it on the merits it will not fit in with the surrounding buildings, thats bullshit. How many times can they go back to get approval, or do thy have to significantly change the image of the building to get approval??? Surely there would be somwhere else in Brisbane to put it? hell, we will have it down here in Melbourne, will get approved instantly! I know the feeling of rejection when it comes to scrapers, like Grollos tower in Melbourne, was shattering when that was rejected.

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