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Old March 24th, 2009, 02:45 PM   #281
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Why not aim for perfection? If you dont you will not do the best you can. Thats what they were trying. Is it not obvious?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:42 PM   #282
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people are unperfect, so the transport is unperfekt too...

it has no sence to choose a goal which cant be reached... (this is not the moon... )

It would be better to choose a goal of a 20-50% reduction...

it is impossible to prevent suicides (commited by intentional accidents), and to prevent negligence, DUI, DUD and Dw/oL...

(even policemen are doing these crimes... )

you can only punish them... (if they survive)
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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:53 PM   #283
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i hate safety fascism but i hate hypocrisy even more
therefore:


1 - build roads that are safer (get rid of potholes for example...)
2 - encourage public transportation, build cycle lanes etc
3 - get rid of speed cameras
4 - check the mechanics of the vechicles much more thoroughly, especially heavy vechicles

meh
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:00 PM   #284
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here 40-50 % (!!!) of people NEVER use the safety belt
here 80-90 % of the drivers NEVER keep a safe following distance
here 30-40 % of trucks ALWAYS run with more weight than allowed
here you cant drive more than 1 km withouth seeing a dangerous pothole
here even the main roads cross railroads
here we lack about 500 bypass roads, close to 3000 kms needed ... so traffic flows through towns


and yet what do the authorities concentrate on? alcohol, speed and whether or not you have a spare lightbulb !!!!!!!!!!!!



i read somewhere, that out of the 4-5000 annual car-related deaths only a few dozen are because of alcohol, only a few hundred are because of speeding......but over a 1000 are related to the lack of using the safety belt

if people used their safety belt, hungary could cut deaths by 20-25 % in one year


so you see, safety nazis should frankly hang themselves from their speed camreas
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:12 PM   #285
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If the people in the car dont realize they are playing with their lives(=irresponsible),then by all means let them commit suicide.

The worst reason I've evr heard was "but I drive carefully"...this only works if only they live on this planet(including animals!)...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:15 PM   #286
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yes, except if 1000 people die than its safe to assume that at least that many get retarded, therefore we will have to pay a LOT for the rest of their lives
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:20 PM   #287
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so you see, safety nazis should frankly hang themselves from their speed camreas
you are a little bit overreacting this speedcam thing, arent you?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:24 PM   #288
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that at least that many get retarded
you mean: disabled
(unfortunately: many more... )
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:31 PM   #289
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i was once accelerating out of a roundabout and without looking i reached 59, for which they fined me
i was in 2nd gear....

and of course you are correct: people who dont use the safety belt are already retarded
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:29 PM   #290
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you are mixing the importance of speed limit enforcing with the problem of the causeless and excessive speed limits...

in that case the limit was 40km/h (maybe as an overall limit in the settlement), wasnt it?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:35 PM   #291
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here 40-50 % (!!!) of people NEVER use the safety belt
here 80-90 % of the drivers NEVER keep a safe following distance
here 30-40 % of trucks ALWAYS run with more weight than allowed
here you cant drive more than 1 km withouth seeing a dangerous pothole
here even the main roads cross railroads
here we lack about 500 bypass roads, close to 3000 kms needed ... so traffic flows through towns


and yet what do the authorities concentrate on? alcohol, speed and whether or not you have a spare lightbulb !!!!!!!!!!!!



i read somewhere, that out of the 4-5000 annual car-related deaths only a few dozen are because of alcohol, only a few hundred are because of speeding......but over a 1000 are related to the lack of using the safety belt

if people used their safety belt, hungary could cut deaths by 20-25 % in one year
That's mentality mostly. I think I can safely say 80 - 90% of the Dutch motorists always use their seatbelt...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:38 PM   #292
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It's even 94%...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 05:43 PM   #293
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you are mixing the importance of speed limit enforcing with the problem of the causeless and excessive speed limits...

in that case the limit was 40km/h (maybe as an overall limit in the settlement), wasnt it?
first of all, about speed cameras:




SPEED CAMREAS ARE A FORM OF TAXATION. PERIOD.

second, in my case, it was 50. if i went 3kph faster i would have gotten 2 points on my license just because my car is to fast in 2nd gear
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:07 PM   #294
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Should easily let computers do the driving in the future, but untill then - humans do mistakes, and the point of the 0-vision is to achnowledge that mistakes should not cost you your life.... And if that costs someone to have a bit more boring drive, or get to work a little slower, the lives are much more important.... I think all new cars should have:

- Breathing test, to make sure you are not drunk.
- Refuse to start unless your seatbelt is fastened.
- Abs/Esp.
- Gps-controlled speeding-control. (Keeps the speedlimit for you)
- Radio/CD on steering wheel.

All new roads of 70 km+ should have soft shoulders, soft signs and barriers. Divide facing trafic.

Ped. crossings should have lights blinking when a ped. pushes a button.

Motorways are for safe and effictive transportation, if you want to ride fast, you go take a roller-coaster or the TGV. Still, 110km/h is good speed for motorways...

And it's not ok for people to be recless, they leave behind loved ones and society looses a lot of money...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:32 PM   #295
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How good is Hungarian drivers ed?
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:39 PM   #296
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I think all new cars should have:

- Breathing test, to make sure you are not drunk.
- Refuse to start unless your seatbelt is fastened.
- Gps-controlled speeding-control. (Keeps the speedlimit for you)

and i think you are a nazi
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #297
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I think all new cars should have:

- Breathing test, to make sure you are not drunk.
- Refuse to start unless your seatbelt is fastened.
- Abs/Esp.
- Gps-controlled speeding-control. (Keeps the speedlimit for you)
- Radio/CD on steering wheel.
Except for the ABS/ESP, I disagree. Those things will make a car so much more expensive, while you can question the (good-meant) effects of it. People need to have freedom to choose for these things. This would really make the 'Big-Brotherfeeling' only worse.

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All new roads of 70 km+ should have soft shoulders, soft signs and barriers. Divide facing trafic.
I'm absolute for making roads wide enough, where possible. Central dividers make roads very inflexible though...

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Ped. crossings should have lights blinking when a ped. pushes a button.
I don't think it would help that much. You see those things here quite often, but it almost makes you want to look at the light itself more than at the pedestrian who wants to cross.

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Motorways are for safe and effictive transportation, if you want to ride fast, you go take a roller-coaster or the TGV. Still, 110km/h is good speed for motorways...
150km/h can be a good speed too. Depending on the vehicle, maybe even a bit faster. Motorways are designed to get people for fair travelling times from A to B. Imo you don't justify a low speed limit when it's designed for much higher speeds...

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And it's not ok for people to be recless, they leave behind loved ones and society looses a lot of money...
The society also looses a lot of money by more and more regulations. How cruel it may sound: you can't just prevent accidents for every price.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #298
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How good is Hungarian drivers ed?
CPR training + exam, 20 (?) hrs of studying + exam, 20 (?) hrs of driving on the track + exam, 20 (?) hrs of driving on the road (incl night, highway) + exam

takes several months and costs a fortune



after that you can safely operate a car....but of course you cant drive just yet..
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #299
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naive ideas...

- Breathing test, to make sure you are not drunk.

can be easily deactivated by specialists...

- Refuse to start unless your seatbelt is fastened.

and what if U unfasten your seat belt while moving?
the engine stops?

- Gps-controlled speeding-control. (Keeps the speedlimit for you)

and what if you are just in the middle of an overtaking?
you are pushing the throttle, and nothing happens?
thats quite dangerous...


Still, 110km/h is good speed for motorways...

yeah... the only promlem: its ******* BOOOORING, and you can easily fall asleep... (maybe forever )

so you need a device which keeps awake...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 08:05 PM   #300
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- Breathing test, to make sure you are not drunk.

can be easily deactivated by specialists...
I think it could be useful for drivers who aren't sure if they are below the legal limit or not, but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory.

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- Refuse to start unless your seatbelt is fastened.

and what if U unfasten your seat belt while moving?
the engine stops?
I agree, that's a silly idea. If someone wants to endanger their own life by not wearing a seatbelt, I honestly don't care, that's their own stupidity.

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- Gps-controlled speeding-control. (Keeps the speedlimit for you)

and what if you are just in the middle of an overtaking?
you are pushing the throttle, and nothing happens?
thats quite dangerous...
I agree, there are situations where speeding would be safer than not speeding. For instance, say you are driving 80 km/h on a steep descent with an 80 limit, and you look in your mirror and see a large truck coming up behind you with no way of slowing in time. It's a lot safer for you to accelerate out of the truck's way than to keep going 80 and cause an accident.

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Still, 110km/h is good speed for motorways...

yeah... the only promlem: its ******* BOOOORING, and you can easily fall asleep... (maybe forever )
It's not possible to generically say what a good speed limit is for a motorway. I know some inner urban motorways on which I would not be comfortable driving more than 70 km/h or so, but out in the countryside where there are much smoother curves, fewer intersections, less traffic and wider lanes I'll gladly exceed 130 km/h, assuming good weather conditions.

But, one night I was driving on the Hume Highway and there were incredible amounts of mist everywhere, reducing visibility phenomenally. I was driving 60 km/h (the speed limit was 110) simply because visibility was too poor to go any faster. This sort of individual judgment should apply in every situation on such roads; it should never be the government's place to dictate the fastest safe speed of travel on rural roads.

You simply can't apply a "one size fits all" philosophy to speed limits, because not every driver has the same skills, not every car handles the same and not every day has the same weather.
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