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Old March 31st, 2014, 07:07 PM   #4341
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This is a NYC project thread and I'm discussing projects. What are you discussing here?
This thread is for development news. If you have no news to share, then don't participate.
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Old March 31st, 2014, 07:55 PM   #4342
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This thread is for general project discussion, too. I posted current renders that weren't posted here before, a construction update and I asked about a current project.

While I've only seen you rumbling in your most recent posts, sbarn.
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Old March 31st, 2014, 09:20 PM   #4343
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432 park would fit and look better if it were a bit shorter imho. It is too lackluster for such a stand-out. But with all the developments it will hopfully not stand out for long.
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Old March 31st, 2014, 10:31 PM   #4344
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Revealed: 175 West 60th Street

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Old March 31st, 2014, 10:59 PM   #4345
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I partially agree with erbse. NYC is gem as a whole, and one of the most important thing in preserving cities is protecting old districts, but also fragmented structures around the city. Drake was absolutely worth saving. If it was protected, investor would buy other property nearby with some blank after-war architecture and replace that instead. City would keep gem and had new one as well. That's a win-win. Something like that is happening in Hudson Yards.
But that is european way of thinking about cities. America is just learning how to do that, Asia is very, very far from It
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Old March 31st, 2014, 11:12 PM   #4346
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I partially agree with erbse. NYC is gem as a whole, and one of the most important thing in preserving cities is protecting old districts, but also fragmented structures around the city. Drake was absolutely worth saving. If it was protected, investor would buy other property nearby with some blank after-war architecture and replace that instead. City would keep gem and had new one as well. That's a win-win. Something like that is happening in Hudson Yards.
But that is european way of thinking about cities. America is just learning how to do that, Asia is very, very far from It
Drake not that great.. No detail on the mid facade for the most part. It was a meh building. Probably should've been protected, but then again, if 432 park had some proper developers with some vision no one would be complaining. The problem is developers in NYC.

America needs an asian approach while keeping its best historical structures. Asia is where the exciting structures are getting built and where developers aren't afraid to build progressively. Developers in NYC have old fashioned tastes in buildings save for a few. That is why we see this Greco-roman neo-classic modernist monstrosity because these old men are still in love with the past and can't see the future. NYC needs a more progressive breed of developers. Even Barnett is very conservative with his Pomo and boxy towers. Where is the futurism or organic styles ny? A few examples notwithstanding, the city is not on the leading edge of design right now sadly.. It's time to drop modernism, post modernism, art-deco, etc... The new age of computer aided organic design that speaks to us organic beings is here and nyc is still building half assed recreations of past styles to suit a conservative market.. NYC needs to move on with the times. Steer is overrated, his buildings are not Art Deco, just Pomo which won't be venerated in decades like the old classics but will instead be mocked as cheap tacky recreations of revered buildings from an era long past. Now if they were building faithful recreations of past styles, I would gladly change my tune.

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Old April 1st, 2014, 12:23 AM   #4347
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I'll happily wait and see which, if any, of the wackier fads happening in Asia stands the test of time before developers start building twisty and organic 300-500m towers in NY.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:27 PM   #4348
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I absolutely agree with Erbse, 432 Park Ave is pure speculative and disproportionate crap. It is a shame a city like NY allows this! I would expect something like that being built in China, but not in NY. Not within 20 miles of the Empire State.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:35 PM   #4349
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Revealed: 29-26 Northern Boulevard

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Old April 1st, 2014, 05:38 PM   #4350
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Revealed: 8-16 Nevins Street

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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:07 PM   #4351
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Port Authority looks to build bus terminal addition

http://nypost.com/2014/04/01/port-au...inal-addition/
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The Port Authority wants to build a huge addition to its Hell’s Kitchen bus terminal, a plan that would make life easier for bus commuters and people who have to navigate the streets near the existing facility.
The new terminal – called the Galvin Plaza Bus Annex – would be built on an empty lot the authority already owns on West 39th Street between 10th and 11th avenues, DNAinfo reported.
The PA has applied for a federal grant to pay for $230 million of the $400 million expansion, which would speed up service for the thousands of bus commuters who use the terminal every day.
The addition would be connected to both the Lincoln Tunnel and the main PA terminal, which would take scores of buses off clogged streets in the neighborhood.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:40 PM   #4352
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I absolutely agree with Erbse, 432 Park Ave is pure speculative and disproportionate crap. It is a shame a city like NY allows this! I would expect something like that being built in China, but no in NY. Not within 20 miles of the Empire State.
All development is speculative.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 07:21 PM   #4353
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Bullshit! Cities grow and need more houses, this isn't speculation. Speculation is when developers build disproportionate crap like 432 Park Ave in an attempt to profit from fluctuations in the market value of real state property, not giving a shit about aesthetics or city cultural and historical values.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 07:36 PM   #4354
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How far will you go on trying to explain why they are building a building with a design you don't like ? Objectively it is a pretty cool building and some people are liking it and its simplicity, this discussions should be moved to its thread and maybe adding a poll there so you can give your opinion but here it really is boring to see all these negative comments
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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:30 PM   #4355
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The stupidity towards the masterpiece that is 432 Park Ave is growing my ignore list day by day. I have had enough of the trolling.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 09:31 PM   #4356
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Yes, we know you guys like tall buildings.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 11:44 PM   #4357
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After all we're at SkyscraperCity. But that shouldn't let anyone conclude aesthetics and different tastes aren't of consideration anymore and it'd be all about height.

And yeah, it's a forum, so let's discuss about aesthetics and don't proscribe people from doing so - and don't ignore them just because you don't like their friggin' opinion! You might be missing out on a lot. Else, there's the scroll wheel on your mouse or your swifty finger on the touchpad. Thank you.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:01 AM   #4358
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1. You like boxy scrapers, or you don't. Half the buildings in NY are boxy, and it is what makes NY identity in a way. In this regard, there is no comparison with what we see in China, NY makes sense as an overall city architecture landscape and 432 park av fits in the landscape with its slim boxy design.

2. The city is starting to build higher and what I think is your problem is that it is the first one in that area with that height and it pops up... but there will be others... and you'll not see 432 park av anymore as a stand alone. NY just starts again being pulled from the top
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 08:50 AM   #4359
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I love the idea of this development opening up Grove place alley to pedestrians and businesses. Unfortunately, this development will require the demolition of a unique building for Downtown Brooklyn that I like so much. This building adds an "old world" vibe to this stretch of nevins. I will miss it. A pub would go nicely in this old building, the alley would still be reconnected with nevins by demolishing the structure to the right of it. It's insane how this neat little building will be demolished but not the piece of shit to the left of it. Notice how the junk to the left is still in the renderings! Welcome to New York.

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 04:37 PM   #4360
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^ This kind of utter crying stupidity is exactly the reason why I'm on such a rampage when it comes to NYC at SSC. And that's only one of several such recent events.

Unbelievable.
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