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Old April 23rd, 2014, 11:36 PM   #4501
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50-story tower could sprout on Junior's site

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JPMorgan Chase is weighing the sale of air rights on its landmarked branch in downtown Brooklyn to the developers of a site next door. The sale could pave the way for the rise of one of the tallest towers in the booming neighborhood.

The bank, which declined to comment on its plans, owns the turn-of-the-century, neoclassical building at 9 Dekalb Ave., a two-story property with hundreds of thousands of square feet of untapped development rights above it. Those rights could come in handy for whomever ends up buying the site next door, the longtime home of one of Brooklyn’s most famous eateries, Junior’s.

“Every developer in New York City is looking at this,” said Stephen Palmese, partner at Massey Knakal Realty Services, the firm selling the Junior’s site at the corner of Dekalb Avenue and Flatbush Avenue Extension.

The purchase of JPMorgan Chase’s air rights could pave the way for a roughly 385,000-square-foot tower on the Junior’s site, with as many as 50 stories. That would be just three stories shorter than the borough’s current record holder, the 53-story tower at 388 Bridge St., and one below the 51-story Brooklyner at 111 Lawrence St. The new building would likely house residential units and/or a hotel...

...While the Junior’s site is technically in the section proposed for commercial development, the demand for residential units downtown has skyrocketed during the latest real estate boom, pushing the price for development sites from about $50 per buildable square foot to about $350 in just the last three years, according to Mr. Palmese.

Robert Knakal, chairman of Massey Knakal, predicted in February that the parcel would fetch a record price per square foot, according to The New York Times, and with the possibility of adding air rights from the bank branch next door, that assertion only seems more likely.

Junior’s owners, meanwhile, have vowed to continue operating their restaurant in whatever building replaces its current digs.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 12:34 AM   #4502
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551 west 21st street update

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Old April 24th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #4503
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Thanks for all the updates Ghostface.. keep up the good work :-)
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Old April 24th, 2014, 02:25 AM   #4504
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That Brooklyn parkside will look incredibly good! Nice move there.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 02:26 AM   #4505
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The Tyranny of the Glass Boxes, NY Times

ALL board members of the New York Landmarks Preservation Board is appointed by the Mayor. No one person or entity should have the privilege of appointing ALL board members. It is obvious that the current and/or previous mayor(s) have stacked the board with pro developers/anti-preservationists.
Wow, this is utterly abject. Democracy and sincere cultural values, where art thou?

Now keep telling the people NYC is doing what it can to preserve its great heritage. They just won't listen anymore.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 02:29 AM   #4506
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Cry me a river.



NY has so many landmarked prewar buildings it's not even funny.
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Old April 24th, 2014, 03:36 AM   #4507
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What a stupid 'article.' One57 is neither bland nor a box. It is glass so I guess he got that right...
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Old April 24th, 2014, 10:49 PM   #4508
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The major issue here is what the "Preservation" Board consists of.


Any city on Earth that tears down such a building has some serious issues going on:




Seriously NYC, WTF?
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Old April 25th, 2014, 01:40 AM   #4509
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Thanks for all the updates Ghostface.. keep up the good work :-)
Much appreciated. Some of those smaller projects don't get as much attention but they add to the character of the city.
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Old April 25th, 2014, 06:25 PM   #4510
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The major issue here is what the "Preservation" Board consists of.


Any city on Earth that tears down such a building has some serious issues going on:




Seriously NYC, WTF?
completly crazy!!!!!!!!!!


there are not organizations in NYC to stop that?? is a really big city!! lot of people.. I can't understand that, they are destroying the history and then they come to europe to see old buildings!!



do something!! Make a stand! a manifestation!!

but c'mon people from NYC!! they are destroying the history of your amazing city!!


In Buenos Aires thay have organizations and they do manifestations to stop this kind of madness of destroying old building when they have other places to build new buildings
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Old April 26th, 2014, 03:48 AM   #4511
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Oh no! One building out of the countless landmarked! Now their pre war history is ruuuuinnned!!!!
If only they preserved that one building, then so many Americans wouldn't have to fly to Europe to see all our old stuff. Sniff.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 06:24 AM   #4512
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Well, no wonder you don't care about heritage, you live in Romania

This building should be preserved, as countless of others. This is the greatest strenght of NYC, not huge modern towers.

Maybe It's good for the investor, but city loses more than gains. And that shouldn't be the case.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 06:49 AM   #4513
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The word skyscraper is pretty much synonymous with NYC.

I care about preservation, but when people make such baby whining about one or two damn buildings in a city where entire old neighbourhoods are untouchable, unlike in any other city on the planet, it's pathetic.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 08:51 AM   #4514
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It's not that people whine about one building. The problem is that when you look around you will find at least a few ugly or unremarkable buildings that could give way to new stuff. It's just as irritating in the rest of the world, where really nice pre-ww2 era buildings give way to random stucco or glass clad structures, but no one is thinking of a way for getting rid of the ugly communist blocks.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 03:39 PM   #4515
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When people make such baby whining about one or two damn buildings in a city where entire old neighbourhoods are untouchable, unlike in any other city on the planet, it's pathetic.
Greedy developers are rubbing their hands when they hear things like this from полезные дураки like you.

The painfully obvious point you are missing is the fact that if NYC is willing to demolish a building of that beauty, it is extremely probable that they are willing to demolish hundreds of other high quality old buildings.

And of course, that's exactly what they do: NYC is notorious for having a careless heritage policy. Penn Station is most obvious example, but actually the city has allowed pretty much any old building to demolished -- conservation and heritage laws only cover a minuscule sample of buildings.

Even the High Line was very nearly demolished: it was only thanks to a tiny group of campaigners fighting tirelessly for years that saved it and turned it into a park. In fact, developers are still trying hard to get the Hudson Yards section of the High Line demolished, despite the great success of the southern sections.
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Old April 26th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #4516
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Can this discussion please be reserved for the thread erbse opened to specifically discuss New York's preservation policies? Link.

This topic seems to crop up every so often, and then before you know it, 10 pages of this thread are completely off topic, and I know I'm not alone when I say that, I'm getting tired of it. There's a thread specifically to discuss New York preservation, so please for the love of god, can we keep the discussion there?
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Old April 27th, 2014, 05:20 AM   #4517
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I can guarantee that demolishing two or three average/above average pre war buildings isn't going to trigger hundreds of other demolitions. Paranoia at its finest.
The classicists (it's they who start it all) come in screaming like babies and then they yell at the people telling them to calm down. Pft.

New York won't lose its character and it won't lose its old heritage. I've never seen any other city with so many examples of all architectural styles. The charm's not going anywhere.
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Old April 27th, 2014, 06:06 AM   #4518
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Didn't you just recently state you've never been to NYC... Especially Midtown and Downtown lost much of their appeal already imho. It's not like the city has torn down just some minor buildings in the past decades.

But anyway, we'll continue there: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1558873
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I can guarantee that demolishing two or three average/above average pre war buildings isn't going to trigger hundreds of other demolitions. Paranoia at its finest.
It's not paranoia. It's country's and city's law, that preserves only small areas of old neighbourhoods and some gems. You can do anything you want with the rest.
If every owner of every old building wanted to demilish his property, NYC would stay with some gem-towers, part of Soho and Harlem, and that's basically It.
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Is there any post where all the new buildings U/C in NYC are listed?
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