NEW YORK | Projects & Construction

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by rencharles

This topic is almost dead, any news?

I started a NY development thread in the New York City forum in hopes that people will post updates and news. I'll try to add what I can...

[rencharles]

Nice, I'll take a look!

[rencharles]

Off topic: I wish there were big projects, like those provided in China.:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=926448

[Myster E]

^ Hmmm...buddy, you may want to remove your post cause it's flame bait and off topic

[rencharles]

Take it easy. I only made one comment, and posted a link. But if it is forbidden I delete my comment.

[Langur]

New York does have lots of supertall scrapers on the way. Currently there are two supertalls under construction (Freedom Tower and 57 Carnegie) and another tower that misses supertall height by just 3m (4WTC). Next month, WTC3 will start, which will mean 3 supertalls + 1 almost supertall under construction at once. WTC2 will start before long, and there are a whole slew of other supertall projects in New York's pipeline:
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=47168119

When you consider that New York already has two supertalls (Empire State Building and Chrysler) and another two which are supertalls including a separate* spire (New York Times and Bank of America), then it's clear that New York will retake the lead from Hong Kong (6 true supertalls, and a 7th if spire is included), and stay ahead of any mainland Chinese city when it comes to 300m+ buildings.

Shanghai, for instance, currently has just two convincing supertall skyscrapers, with just one and possibly two more under construction. Beijing has only one at present. There are some new skyscraper projects coming Beijing's way, but they're not enough for Beijing to catch New York.

It's actually Dubai that's really kicking arse, with 17 buildings already over the 300m mark, another two to rise above that height in the coming months, and the 20th (!!) Dubai supertall will probably be the 516m Pentominium.



* I think Chrysler has a better claim to be a true supertall than the New York Times Building or Bank of America because its spire is integrated with the roof rather than separate.

[desertpunk]

There's a lot of stuff on the boards including 3 massive megadevelopments that will include supertalls. All in approval process or already approved and awaiting a rebound in the commercial real estate market which determines what gets built in the US.

[HK999]

i posted this before in other threads...

NYC construction status (updated list, includes U/C, App, Prep, Pro)

SUPERTALLS

U/C:

- 1WTC (417m roof, 541m spire)
- 157W. 57th St. (306m roof)

Approved:

- Tower Verre (320m roof - needs a redesign, will be built)
- 3WTC (349m roof, 378m spire - construction starting soon, Prep)
- 2WTC (390m roof, 414m spire, construction starting this summer)
- The Gira Sole (305m roof- when they finish the subway tunnel (soon) this will be U/C, Prep)
- Tishman Speyer Towers (336m x 2, on hold, Prep)

Proposed:

- 15 Penn Plaza (365m roof, currently in the approval phase)
- Midtown Towers (371m roof - aka One Manhattan West)
- Brookfield Properties Towers (370m roof, they need to build the platform first)
- New York Tower (305m roof)

SKYSCRAPERS

U/C:

- 4WTC (297m roof)
- 440 West 42nd street (204m roof, still need conformation about the final height)
- 99 Church Street (278m roof, construction started, currently on hold)
- 56 Leonard Street (253m roof, construction started, currently on hold)
- Beekman Tower (267m roof, already T/O)
- The Setai (200m+, already T/O)

Approved:

- 250 East 57th Street (218m roof, Phase I already U/C, Phase II following)
- 366 10th Avenue (236m roof)
- 50 West Street (213m roof, on hold)
- 610 Lexington Avenue (215m roof, on hold)
- 5WTC (228m roof)

Proposed:

- 1 Madison Avenue Addition (285m roof)
- PANYNJ Tower (261m roof)
- 260 12th Avenue Hotel (252m)
- Two Manhattan West (285m roof)

[rencharles]

Good News, and really ... Eg in places like Shanghai, we see some tall buildings. While in NY, the entire city is closed and all tall buildings.

[rencharles]

Super Talls

Supertalls - at least 300m/1,000 ft tall

# 1WTC (Freedom Tower) | 541m | 1776ft | 108 fl | Under Construction
# 2WTC (200 Greenwich Street) | 408m | 1339ft | 76 fl | Approved
# 3WTC (175 Greenwich Street) | 383m | 1255ft | 71 fl | Approved



# Brookfield Properties Towers | 370m | 1216ft | 284m | 935ft | Proposed



# Tower Verre (320m roof - needs a redesign, will be built) Approved



# 15 Penn Plaza | 365m | 1198ft | 66fl | Proposed



# Carnegie 57 | 306m | 1005ft | 75 fl | U/C



# The GiraSole | 305m | 1000ft | Preparation



Skyscrapers - between 200-299m/650-999ft tall

# 4WTC (150 Greenwich Street) | 297m | 975ft | 61 fl | Under Construction



# 1 Madison Avenue Addition | 285m | 937ft | Proposed

image hosted on flickr


# 30 Park Place | 278m | 912ft | 80 fl | Preparation/On Hold



# Beekman Place | 267m | 876ft | 76 fl | T/O

image hosted on flickr


# 56 Leonard Street | 250m | 821ft | 57 fl | On Hold



# 250 East 57th Street | 218m | 715ft | 59fl | Preparation



# 50 West Street | 213m | 700ft | 69fl | Preparation/On Hold

[desertpunk]

56 Leonard was prepped and then placed on hold. The developer is sticking to a 2011 start date.

[CrazyAboutCities]

Wow! I never seen 15 Penn Plaza rendering before. It is great addition to midtown NYC skyline! I don't know what to say about Carnegie 57. This rendering isn't great and need to see more renderings. However, I like almost every projects going on in NYC. Do you guys think NYC will ever get hypertall?

[rencharles]

Well, on the 57th Carnegie project, believe it will be a great addition to the skyline of NY. The height of the 57 Carnegie is great, but I did not like the glass of the project. I think the glasses could be darker, which would fit better with the surrounding buildings near Central Park.

I believe that in coming years, the trend is to have more Super talls in NYC. There are many places that can be added amazing skyscrapers, we just need the economy to encourage us, that many designers will think of something to the space to be filled.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by rencharles

Super Talls

# 50 West Street | 213m | 700ft | 69fl | Preparation/On Hold

For Christ's sake ! They torn down one great copper top building and left it halted!

[JC_Zwolle]

It would be nice to see the two skylines (Financial District & Midtown) merge together in time. In between these districts should come some even higher buildings than the current highest U/C WTC1 (hypertalls as some would call them). THEN you would have an amazing skyline!

[xXFallenXx]

Originally Posted by JC_Zwolle

It would be nice to see the two skylines (Financial District & Midtown) merge together in time. In between these districts should come some even higher buildings than the current highest U/C WTC1 (hypertalls as some would call them). THEN you would have an amazing skyline!

No, it wouldn't.
The space in between the two skylines has some of the best urban neighborhoods in the world. It's some of the best parts of Manhattan, it doesn't need supertalls.

[helghast]

Do we have a Thread for 50 West Street ?

[desertpunk]

From Curbed http://www.tribecatrib.com/news/2009...elopments.html

50 WEST STREET IF IT'S NOT ONE THING, IT'S ANOTHER


Rendering by Helmut Jahn / Photo by Carl Glassman

Developer Time Equities broke ground in June 2008 on a 66-story hotel/condo tower at 50 West Street. It was a grand affair, with the company’s CEO Francis Greenberger and city officials joined by a vicar, a reverend and a rabbi to bless the site. More than a year later, divine intervention may still be in order. By fall the work had stopped and today that ground remains a neatly maintained but dusty lot. Designed by architect Helmut Jahn, the $600-million mixed-use tower was to include a hotel on the first 14 floors, condominiums above and a public plaza.

According to a Time Equities source, who did not want to be identified, delayed completion of the foundation means that construction now must wait, not due to financing, but because the work can’t coincide with the State Department of Transportation’s planned reconstruction of West Street. “The impact that [foundation work] would have on the water table makes it not feasible for us to build,” the source said.

[rencharles]

Before late, than never to be done

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by rencharles

Before late, than never to be done

At last word, Time Equities is projecting a 2012 start but they have had some problems of their own so who knows?