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Old April 2nd, 2007, 08:52 AM   #121
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Newcastle and Woolongong are not separate networks from Sydney. They are all part of the Sydney based CityRail network which currently has 2000km of track with 302 stations.
I know it's part of the same network. But you have to keep in mind that those 2000km of track, are "Track" figures. Most (in fact almost all) other networks in the world use the "Route km" figures rather than "Track km" as it is more relevant to passengers needs. Track figures are meaningless for passengers and only used by smaller networks to try and boost their image on a global scale.

To give you an example. A "track route" includes all tracks on a network. So a 20km line would be called "20km" by most other networks using the "Route km" method. However, if that is a double line, which most are, a "Track km" line would be around 41km (20km x2 plus all the extra rails feeding to other tracks).

Now imagine how much larger that would be when you take every double rail line in City Rail and every route with 4, 6 or 8 lines. It becomes an inflated figure like the 2000km network City Rail talks of. link

We are also talking about three seperate metropolitan area's. Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong that just happen to have a single company running all three. Here is a site that shows the exact route km's of "Sydney's" network. It's not too hard to add up (although you do have to make sure you don't double over any lines, but if you add it up with a map that's not too hard) link and you end up with approx: 316 ROUTE Km.

Of cause, this is just the Urban Area of Sydney, not the full metro which would extend the km a bit if you take it to the central coast, blue mountains etc, but certainly not 2000km which is the TRACK KM for three seperate metropolitan area's run by the single company.

On comparison, the city proper alone of London has some 1196 Route km of rail (underground + commuter), and that's only the city proper link, the metropolitan area has some 4048 ROUTE KM of underground & commuter train link. Tokyo is even larger. Look at this network and compare to the entire cityrail and see which is more complex. And this is just one city, not three seperate metro area's that cityrail comprises of. Link

And Osaka is Japan's second city...link, Paris, Moscow, New York etc etc...

Of cause, these are all larger cities than Sydney.However, you can also look at many other cities of similar size to Sydney's population. Frankfurt has some 1500 Route km of rail services (U-bahn, S-bahn and R-bahn) within the metro Link 1 (Local, U-bahn, S-bahn, R-bahn) (Wider Metro, no U-bahn, just S-bahn and R-bahn). Barcelona has 551 Route km of metro & commuter rail, Madrid has 570 Route km, Vienna has 1,646 Route km, Zurich 660 Route km, etc etc. - all larger than Sydney's 316 Route km. And these are just a few that come to mind.

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Playing the roles of both urban, suburban, inter-city and inter-regional, CityRail has been described as one of the most complex rail networks in the world.
It has been described as one of the complex rail networks in the world by City Rail in their publicity papers. However in reality it certainly isn't. By route km and stations there is a very large list of city metropolitan area's with much larger and more complex networks than Sydney, or even all of the three metropolitain area's that City Rail administers.

The only possible way that City Rail can seem large is that it is all under the one umbrella, where as most cities that have larger networks, split them up into different companies or operating groups.

Sydney has a nice network but on a global scale, it is not considered large.
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Chicago is definitely a strong candidate for the Commuter Rail Capital of the World.

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Old April 29th, 2016, 10:13 AM   #123
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Chicago is definitely a strong candidate for the Commuter Rail Capital of the World.
Why? OP says "Provide some proofs" (sic).
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Old April 30th, 2016, 03:59 AM   #124
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Chicago is definitely a strong candidate for the Commuter Rail Capital of the World.
I highly doubt it. For one thing, Chicago doesn't have the commuter rail extent it once had. The rather large chunk of Chicagoland that lies in northern Indiana only has access to one commuter line (i.e. the South Shore Line).

I don't think any U.S. city can claim this title tbh. Not even New York. This is Japan's race to lose.
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Old April 30th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #125
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I highly doubt it. For one thing, Chicago doesn't have the commuter rail extent it once had. The rather large chunk of Chicagoland that lies in northern Indiana only has access to one commuter line (i.e. the South Shore Line).

I don't think any U.S. city can claim this title tbh. Not even New York. This is Japan's race to lose.
I just said Chicago is a strong candidate...
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Old April 30th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #126
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I just said Chicago is a strong candidate...
Read through this entire thread and you will see that it isn't the case at all. Chicago only have a small system compared to the really big ones, like Tokyo.
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Old November 2nd, 2016, 10:18 PM   #127
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If I can make a recommendation, put anyone who mentions that city in Illinois on your ignore list.

The top two have got to be: Tokyo & Osaka

Not just in terms of numbers, but of variety. They've got overground commuter rail, underground commuter rail, viaducted commuter rail, linear-induction commuter rail, bullet train commuter rail. Multiple private companies but an integrated fare system.

Places like London or NYC may be able to compete somewhat in a numbers game, but on a whole, they can't hold a candle.

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http://www.publicpurpose.com/ut-japanurbanrail.htm

Osaka's rail map (excluding subway):
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 01:17 AM   #128
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Chicago has the ugliest commuter-rail cars in the world, so at least they have that going for them. These are, of course, based on cattle cars with the big door in the middle. Chicago is probably the freight-rail capital of the world.
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Old November 3rd, 2016, 08:07 PM   #130
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But what is "commuter rail" really? You could for example consider the entire railway network of small countries like Switzerland, Belgium or The Netherlands as one commuter rail system. And that would make them pretty big contenders in this race...
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