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Old April 26th, 2006, 10:19 PM   #61
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That yard in Hamburg looks HUGE

Surely it surpasses anything in Chicago?
I guess it surpasses most single yards in Chicago, but counting all yards in both regions together, I guess Chicago clearly wins. However that doesn't make the stats for Hamburg less impressive: I've just read in a newspaper today that 50% of all containers transported by rail in Germany are coming from or going to the port of Hamburg.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 10:23 PM   #62
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This reduces the average haulage distance to about 750 / 800 km which is still a bit much for China. Are you sure there aren't any other typos?

I haven't examined this thread in detail ... there may be other mistakes here. Quoting sources would make it easier to check.
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http://yxj.ndrc.gov.cn/gjyx/jt/t20060323_63918.htm

(一)铁路运量连创新高。铁路部门针对薄弱环节,加强运输组织。充分利用新线提高运能,同时,不断挖掘现有设施的潜力。2005年,铁路完成货运量27亿吨,货物周转量20730亿吨公里,比上年分别增长8.2%和7.5%;其中,国有铁路完成货物运量23亿吨,周转量19351亿吨公里,分别增长6.6%和6.9%。全国铁路完成旅客运量11.6亿人次,周转量6061亿人公里,分别增长3.4%和6.1%;其中,国有铁路完成旅客运量11亿人次,周转量5807亿公里,分别增长2.9%和5.4%,达到17年来最好水平。
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:32 AM   #63
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I guess it surpasses most single yards in Chicago, but counting all yards in both regions together, I guess Chicago clearly wins. However that doesn't make the stats for Hamburg less impressive: I've just read in a newspaper today that 50% of all containers transported by rail in Germany are coming from or going to the port of Hamburg.
I agree that Hamburg is indeed a very important freight rail center in Germany! Chicago had most of its yards next to industrial, freight distribution centers and along airports. So the space for hump/classfication yards are still being limited somehow. Anyway, I would say the size that hump yard in Hamburg isnt' far behind the one in North Palette in Nebraska!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:39 AM   #64
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Actually, I hate to rain on the parade, but...

Kansas City is expected to surpass Chicago in interchange traffic, if it hasn't already. The collapse of the CREATE Plan (Canadian National pulled out) only means continued growth for KC.
Oh, really, I do think that KC has some potential but surpassing Chicago in interchange traffic, I doubt it! Show us some proofs or to Chicago as the current NA railroad capital and I think that it could also be call as the freight rail capital of the world.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:49 AM   #65
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I'm not surprised, though I thought Nebraska had the upper hand on Kansas.
As far as you, I really have to LOL on what you are claiming!
Nebraska > Kansas...maybe
but Nebraska > Chicago....not in a deacade or two!
As far as you are claiming that DFW area have some freight rail activities, well majorities of large cities also have them, but to claim it can compare to Chicago....where are your proofs?

A simple map tells alot...

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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:55 AM   #66
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Oh, thanks for some wonderful google earth of London freight yards! Wow, they are quite a few indeed just like Paris! Thanks alot for your research and showing us here!

Can someone post some google earth pics from China's freight rail captial city, I love to check it out as well!

I will try to post some google earth of Chicago freight rail yards too!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 04:33 AM   #67
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From US department of transportation

Map and data sources

Lets compare some of the states in US mention so far in this thread that claimed to have something with Chicago, Illinois.

2002 Freight Shipments To, From, and Within Illinois


2002 Freight Shipments To, From, and Within Nebraska


2002 Freight Shipments To, From, and Within Kansas
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Old April 27th, 2006, 04:50 AM   #68
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This is a very interesting site. Freight rail map for Texas seems to be somewhat comparable with the one for Illinois (http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/frei...ilflow_tx.htm).
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Old April 27th, 2006, 04:59 AM   #69
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This is a very interesting site. Freight rail map for Texas seems to be somewhat comparable with the one for Illinois (http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/frei...ilflow_tx.htm).
Thanks, indeed! Texas does have some really heavy routes which obvious handling more tons than Kansas and Nebraska! As far as the state goes, Texas can be comparable with the Illinois. But since we are talking about the city for the freight rail capital. I would easily say that Chicago shadow every large cities in Texas.




Lets see if you can find the freight rail network map for single city in Texas that can compare with Chicago!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 05:05 AM   #70
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[QUOTE=ChicagoSkyline]
Can someone post some google earth pics from China's freight rail captial city, I love to check it out as well!
[QUOTE]

The problem for google earth is very few Chinese cities have high res pics, it sucks. So far only small part of beijing, shanghai, shenzhen and jinan, yes all are small parts, has high res in google earth. The Biggest freight yard in China now is in Zhengzhou, i heard, which is also asia's largest. Wuhan is building a bigger one. I heard Chengdu, Xi'an, Xuzhou, Shenyang also have very big freight yards, similar to Zhengzhou. but we cann't see them in google earth.

one yard in Beijing


another smaller yard about 4km away


a passenger depot yard in west Beijing. There are also many other large freight yards around Beijing city, but could see them in high res pic


a freight yard in Jinan city


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Old April 27th, 2006, 05:14 AM   #71
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Thanks alot General Huo for the google earth response!
BTW, Beijin is one of the freight rail hub in China that I know have some very large yards, and as the pics above show, very impressive! Jinan city also have a huge yard that is also comparable to that of the Hamburg marshal yard and North Pallete hump yard! Nice find!
I'll be back later to post some google earth of chicago yards!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:01 AM   #72
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OMFG! Wow!

Wow! Are those freight yards in China for real. OMFG!

@ ChicagoSkyline
ChicagoSkyline, I think that the rankings for the world's largest freight hub would have to be:

1. Chicago (freight train/railway Heaven from Beyond)
2. Paris
3. Hamburg
4. (a Texan city)
5. North Platte
6. Kansas City
7. Jinan
8. Beijing
9. Rotterdam (Well...this is through the assumption that it is the busiest port in Europe--the ports facilities include railways specially for coal freight trains. And since it is one of the hubs for coal freight transport in Europe, it can be considered as one of the largest freight hub in the world.)

Of coarse, this is just based from my gut feeling. 'Bout you...whadya think should be the rankings.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:04 AM   #73
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Zhengzhou,China:North Railway Station

sorry,its the only pic i can find:

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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:11 AM   #74
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Melbourne is Australia's busiest containter hub for the freight rail network - being right next to the busiest container port.
As Yardmaster said, the biggest hubs arent in the major cities though - in the Pilbara, nth Queensland and probably even Newcastle.
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Wow! Are those freight yards in China for real. OMFG!

@ ChicagoSkyline
ChicagoSkyline, I think that the rankings for the world's largest freight hub would have to be:

1. Chicago (freight train/railway Heaven from Beyond)
2. Paris
3. Hamburg
4. (a Texan city)
5. North Platte
6. Kansas City
7. Jinan
8. Beijing
9. Rotterdam (Well...this is through the assumption that it is the busiest port in Europe--the ports facilities include railways specially for coal freight trains. And since it is one of the hubs for coal freight transport in Europe, it can be considered as one of the largest freight hub in the world.)

Of coarse, this is just based from my gut feeling. 'Bout you...whadya think should be the rankings.
OMG! You gotta be one of da best ranker our thread has ever porduced! I am quite agree with your rank thus far and that also include Rotterdam? if you can show us some proofs like its freight rail stats or pics of one its largest rail yard from aerial or satellite! This is so much fun and thanks for your interest!
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Zhengzhou,China:North Railway Station

sorry,its the only pic i can find:


Is Zhengzhou an industrial city? It does look like the one in Beijin! Nice find null!
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Sorry...

Sorry man, don't know how to post pics.
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Melbourne is Australia's busiest containter hub for the freight rail network - being right next to the busiest container port.
As Yardmaster said, the biggest hubs arent in the major cities though - in the Pilbara, nth Queensland and probably even Newcastle.
Yea, I know, Yardmaster told us earlier how the Aussie seperates their heavy rail network away from the city metro. But can you/or someone from Australia show us some pics or google earth of the largest rail/hump/classification/marshal yards in Australia? I know is somewhere near Melbourne...
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Sorry man, don't know how to post pics.
Well, if you do have the Rotterdam rail yard pics, I will show you how to postem them!

Here it goes...
The easist way to post an image is by clicking on the yellow square icon that has kind of like mount in it. It will then prompt you for the URL of the image that you want to link with the post, so copy the URL linke and paste it into the white text area and OK...that is it!

Another way to do it is by hard coding..
Just make sure to type:
[IMG] the url link for your image [/IMG]

Plz show us!
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What...???

What is a URL?
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