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Old May 1st, 2006, 11:17 PM   #181
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 01:51 AM   #182
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 10:29 AM   #183
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Great additions. And finally a good view of Milan. I knew there were several other major stations circling the central city area but couldn't find details on them.

Once we get this complete, we should add it to wikipedia or something, make good use of all this research!
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 02:32 PM   #184
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In my humble part of the world, at any given station there are tracks where you can get on and off a train (here, always above track level) . These are platforms.
Ok.

btw I wasnt asking for a definition of a platform.

I was just pointing out that there are many stations that have been built at the turn of the century. These stations usually have a large number of platforms simply because in those days you couldnt operate rail traffic as efficiently as today.
So my point is that the number of platforms dont really give an exact indication of how many travellers there are per day or about how big a station is.
As I said there are modern stations for example in Germany,Japan and France that have been designed to handle a lot of traffic with a small number of platforms.
Stations nowadays dont need these large numbers of platforms.

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Old May 2nd, 2006, 03:17 PM   #185
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Ok.

btw I wasnt asking for a definition of a platform.

I was just pointing out that there are many stations that have been built at the turn of the century. These stations usually have a large number of platforms simply because in those days you couldnt operate rail traffic as efficiently as today.
So my point is that the number of platforms dont really give an exact indication of how many travellers there are per day or about how big a station is.
As I said there are modern stations for example in Germany,Japan and France that have been designed to handle a lot of traffic with a small number of platforms.
Stations nowadays dont need these large numbers of platforms.
Still, one of the principle needs for more platforms is if a station handles through traffic, or if it's the end of the line. A station that has end of line tracks requires far more platforms than a through station, as the train can leave immediately in the opposite direction.
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 03:26 PM   #186
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I noticed in the list there is lack of Italian cities (Milan apart)

Let's start with Rome

Roma Termini Station got 29 platforms



There are other main stations in Rome like Tiburtina or Ostiense, but I have to find data on 'em

Anyway some Rome's railway map







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Old May 2nd, 2006, 03:26 PM   #187
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Here are some future trainstation projects in Germany


Essen (Rhein-Rhur) / sadly this proposal has been rejected. the station could be finished in 2010 though


Dortmund (Rhein-Rhur) will be finished in 2009





the old proposal



stuttgart 21 / its not sure yet if its going to be realized





2 proposals for the new station in munich



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Old May 2nd, 2006, 03:33 PM   #188
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Still, one of the principle needs for more platforms is if a station handles through traffic, or if it's the end of the line. A station that has end of line tracks requires far more platforms than a through station, as the train can leave immediately in the opposite direction.

thats true. But many new stations adopt the pass-through option as its just more efficient.

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Old May 2nd, 2006, 04:10 PM   #189
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thats true. But many new stations adopt the pass-through option as its just more efficient to handle.
That's true, but this isn't a thread about efficiency. We could start another for that, but how hard would that be to catagorize on an international scale.

This is simply a thread on platform numbers for large centrally located stations which act, at least in part as a terminus for traffic. Large through stations can be included (such as Köln) but yes, they would have less platforms. However, often, these platforms have a dual numbering system (e.g. platform 3a and 3b, for terminating trains in each direction)
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Old May 2nd, 2006, 04:14 PM   #190
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That's true, but this isn't a thread about efficiency. We could start another for that, but how hard would that be to catagorize on an international scale.
sure. But we want to find out how many passengers a station handles and how big it is.
All Im saying is that you cant just count the platforms to get the picture.
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sure. But we want to find out how many passengers a station handles and how big it is.
All Im saying is that you cant just count the platforms to get the picture.
That would be an interesting statistical list, but that is certainly a different thread. Passenger movements are not handled in this thread, it's about platforms.

It would also be a real difficult list to complete for accurate international comparisons. Different cities use different methods for calculating passenger movement. Some include estimates on all people passing through the station (including non passengers), others use ticket or gate sales. Some include through passengers, others only embarking or disembarking passengers, some just use estimates etc.
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Old May 3rd, 2006, 02:27 PM   #192
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Originally Posted by GENIUS LOCI
I noticed in the list there is lack of Italian cities (Milan apart)

Let's start with Rome

Roma Termini Station got 29 platforms


<snip> (see original posting)


There are other main stations in Rome like Tiburtina or Ostiense, but I have to find data on 'em

Anyway some Rome's railway map

<snip> (see original posting)]



<snip> (see original posting)
Thanks Genius Loci. I am sure we could do with more Italian data!

On the basis of the map above, I'd include Roma Termini, San Pietro & Tiburtina, but not Trastavere, Ostiense, and Tuscolama in a count for Rome. The reason: the three last-named, on the basis of the map above, are stations through which traffic flows to "somewhere more important", whereas the three first-named are places where trains terminate, or make their principal port of call for Rome.

I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm only trying to apply uniform standards (note that I discounted platforms at Southern Cross Melbourne and ruled out Clapton Junction London & Jamaica NY (or wherever they want to call it), amongst others). If we don't do this, we'll be adding up hundreds of platforms at suburban locations: for instance: in Sydney: how many platforms in total between Central and Parramatta? About 100. Do they count? No! Only in the "Metroplois with most platforms overall" thread!

That said, I'm only going by your map of Rome. Let me know if you think I'm wrong.
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Infact San Pietro is not at all a terminal station: pratically it is used only as stop of suburban trains

I knew Tiburtina and Ostiense are the two main train station (e.g. Tiburtina will be the main train-station for HS trains)

Then, apart Termini, there are other two "terminus" train stations in Rome (not reported on the map above): Roma Nord and Roma Ostia
But they're tottally local trains (infact they wanted to reconvert both the lines in metro, or metro-like) and they 're not big stations, I think Roma Nord has 4 platforms and Roma-Lido probably 6
But, as I said they are the terminus of just one line each one and are too small to be in the computation
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Old May 3rd, 2006, 04:35 PM   #194
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Quote:
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Infact San Pietro is not at all a terminal station: pratically it is used only as stop of suburban trains

I knew Tiburtina and Ostiense are the two main train station (e.g. Tiburtina will be the main train-station for HS trains)

Then, apart Termini, there are other two "terminus" train stations in Rome (not reported on the map above): Roma Nord and Roma Ostia
But they're tottally local trains (infact they wanted to reconvert both the lines in metro, or metro-like) and they 're not big stations, I think Roma Nord has 4 platforms and Roma-Lido probably 6
But, as I said they are the terminus of just one line each one and are too small to be in the computation
Well, that map does show a yellow "line" terminating" at Tiburtina & a grey line teminating at San Pietro ... what do you suggest? I think one of the other maps you posted made this more obvious. I don't really care whether they're local services or not.

do you see why I don't want to count Trastavere etc. ?
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My take on Tokyo

There seem to be 2 main lines running through Tokyo north South:

the first runs (sth to nth)

Shingawa (21 platforms)
Shinbashi (11 platforms)
Tokyo (30 platforms)
Ueno (25 platforms).

west of this, the Yamanote line runs:

Shibuya (14 platforms)
Shinjuku (33 platforms)
Ikebukuro (25 platforms).


All platform counts from this thread!

There are MANY other lines as well!

If we apply the criteria being used elsewhere, we would count:
  • all platforms at Shinjuku (inc. Keioh New Line) & Tokyo
  • only those platforms at Shibuya for the Keioh Inokashira,& Tokyu (Setagaya, Den-en Toshi & Toyoko) lines
  • only those platforms at Shinagawa for the Keihin Keyuko line & the Toei Asakusa Line
  • only those platforms at Ikebukuro for the Seibbu Ikebukuro & Tobu Tojo Lines
  • just Keisei Mainline platforms at Ueno.
  • just Yorikamome line platforms at Shinbashi

Beyond that:

Kita senju looks like another "Clapton Junction", but the Tobu Isesaki line should be counted somewhere! And so, indeed should a few other lines!

Any comments?

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Old May 4th, 2006, 10:44 PM   #196
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Hoboken Terminal in Hoboken, NJ (Accross the river from Manhattan):
17 platforms for commuter rail (NJT)
3 subway platforms (PATH)
3 light rail platforms (HBLR)

Total: 20 or 23 platforms depending on whether light rail should be included.
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Old May 8th, 2006, 04:51 PM   #197
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In Vienna the following stations handle international and national inter city services (I still need to find all the stats though):

- Westbahnhof: 7 mainline platforms (11 tracks) & 2 underground platforms (4 tracks)
- Süd/Ostbahnhof: 5 platf. (10 tracks)/5 platf. (9 tracks) & 2 S-Bahn platforms and tracks
- Nordbahnhof:
- Franz Josefs Bahnhof

In Suburban traffic these stations play an important role:

- Wien Hütteldorf
- Wien Meidling
- Wien Heiligenstadt
- Wien Mitte
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Old May 9th, 2006, 02:13 AM   #198
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Update:

Largest Stations:

30 platforms or more (10)


52: Grand Central (New York)
42: Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Saint Lazare (Paris)
30: Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)

25-29 Platforms(11 Stations)

29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
29: Porta Romana (Milan)
28: Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Austerlitz (Paris)
27: Karlsruhe Hauptbahnhof
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Sydney Central
25: Ueno (Tokyo)

20-25 Platforms (15 Stations):


24: Stazione Centrale (Milan)
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Madrid Chamartín
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Bruxelles-Midi
22: Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Porta Garibaldi (Milan)
20: Paddington (London)

15-19 Platforms (21 Stations)

19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
19: Oslo Central
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
18: St Charles (Marseille)
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Flandres (Lille)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
16: Dresden Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal

10-14 Platforms (38 Stations)

14: Barcelona França
14: Madrid Puerta de Atocha

14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
14: Luzern (terminal)
14: Berlin Lehrter Hauptbahnhof
14: Barcelona Sants
13: Greco-Bicocca (Milan)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
12: Bruxelles-Nord
11: Porta Genova (Milan)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
11: Berlin Ostbahnhof (East-Station)
11: Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof
10: Cadorna F.N.M. (Milan)
10: Berlin Nordkreuz/Gesundbrunnen
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)
10: Köln Hauptbahnhof


City Totals for Main Terminii

194: London (UK)
190: Tokyo (Japan)
181: Paris (France)
97: New York (USA)
97: Milan (Italy)
95: Moscow (Russia)
74: Osaka (Japan)
43: Berlin (Germany)
39: Calcutta (Kolkutta) (India)
39: Munich (Germany)
36: Madrid (Spain)
32: Frankfurt (Germany)
28: Barcelona (Spain)
28: Hamburg (Germany)
28: Melbourne (Australia)
26: Brussels (Belgium)
27: Karlsruhe (Germany)
26: Leipzig (Germany)
26: Zürich (Switzerland)
25: Sydney (Australia)
19: Stuttgart (Germany)
19: Oslo (Norway)
18: Basel (Switzerland)
18: Marseille (France)
17: Leeds (UK)
16: Glasgow (UK)
16: Bern (Switzerland)
16: Lille (France)
16: Dresden (Germany)
15: Rotterdam (Netherlands)
14: Manchester (UK)
14: Luzern (Switzerland)
14: Utrecht (Netherlands)
14: Marseille (France)
14: Chiba (Japan)
14: Odawara (Japan)
13: Amsterdam (Netherlands)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag (The Hague) (Netherlands)
12: Lille (France)
12: Nagoya (Japan)
12: Yokohama (Japan)
11: Nürnberg (Nurenberg)
10: Brisbane (Australia)
10: Olten (Switzerland)
10: Köln (Cologne) (Germany)
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Old May 9th, 2006, 02:34 AM   #199
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104 for moscow
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=132

plus why not count 3 central stations square into one?
http://maps.google.com/?q=moscow&ll=...24955&t=h&om=1

10 platforms on leningradskiy vokzal
16 platforms on yaroslavskiy vokzal
18 platforms on kazanskiy vokzal
2 platforms on kalanchevskaya station
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^All the updates are skipping Nagoya's main station at 32 or 31 (the figure I got) tracks.

As for city totals: (no real termini)

43: Nagoya (Japan)
29: Yokohama (Japan)
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