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Old May 26th, 2007, 04:06 PM   #361
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Excellent thread!

For the record, no station in Copenhagen qualifies for the list, as every station is a through-station rather than a terminus. And the busiest station in Copenhagen, as someone pointed out, has ~300 000 commuters a day, but only has 3 platforms (6 tracks): 2 metro tracks, 2 S-tog tracks (commuter line) and 2 intercity/international tracks.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 11:17 AM   #362
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^ IS that the equivilent of your central station? We have been including central stations even if they are "through stations" as they operate as a terminus where people use that as their main entry (termination of travel) point in the city center.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 02:32 PM   #363
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The London total is missing the following terminis:

Fenchurch Street, which has 4 platforms and over 16 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenchurch_street_station

Marylebone, 6 platforms, 7 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone_station

Blackfriars, 5 platforms, 8 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfriars_station

Cannon Street, 7 platforms, 18 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_Street_station

All excluding the London Underground platforms.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 04:37 PM   #364
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^ IS that the equivilent of your central station? We have been including central stations even if they are "through stations" as they operate as a terminus where people use that as their main entry (termination of travel) point in the city center.
No, StarFish is talking about the busiest station, Nørreport, not the central station, which is the second busiest. It looks like Copenhagen Cental Station has got 12 tracks. I don't know about the other numbers.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 04:47 PM   #365
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The London total is missing the following terminis:

Fenchurch Street, which has 4 platforms and over 16 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenchurch_street_station

Marylebone, 6 platforms, 7 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone_station

Blackfriars, 5 platforms, 8 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfriars_station

Cannon Street, 7 platforms, 18 million passengers per year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_Street_station

All excluding the London Underground platforms.
To make things easier, we limited the stations to those with 10 platforms or more. However, this also includes underground/metro platforms, so if the stations above, including the tube platforms equal or exceed 10 then they should be included.
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Old May 29th, 2007, 06:15 PM   #366
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To make things easier, we limited the stations to those with 10 platforms or more. However, this also includes underground/metro platforms, so if the stations above, including the tube platforms equal or exceed 10 then they should be included.
I think they should be included when it comes to city totals; even if they don't have 10 platforms each. Together all these smaller terminals do add up.

Anyway, inluding the Underground, Fenchurch street would have 8 platforms, Marylebone 8, Blackfriars 7, Cannon Street 9.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 06:22 PM   #367
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I thought if I got this stuff into a spreadsheet, I could maintain it much easier ... and add columns for train movements per day, passengers per day, etc.!
It's cool! Thanks for the work.

It would be super-dooper if you could arrange in this spread-sheet the Stations as Sub-Lines to the respective Cities.

Eg.:

Paris TOTAL
- Paris St.Lazare
- Paris Nord
- Paris Est
- ....

First of all it will be easier for you to compute the numbers of tracks, movements per day, passengers per day. And secondly it will be possible to automatically extract from it the statistics per station and not only per city.
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Old June 1st, 2007, 09:20 PM   #368
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Paris

Paris Nord : 180 million (More than 200 million with the RER E)
Paris St Lazare : 100 million (More than 130 million with the RER E)
Paris Lyon : 83 million* (Over 100 million with the RER A)
Paris Montparnasse : 50 million
Paris Est : 34 million
Paris Austerliz : 24 million

Total 471 million

Subway is not include
** It Doesn't include RER A

The busiest station in Paris is Chatelet les Halles with 273.7 million passengers but it is not a terminal.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 09:18 AM   #369
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Zurich HB stats:




TRACKS
Tracks "Long Distance" 16 (tracks 3 to 18, 51-54, Street Level)
Tracks "S-Bahn" 10 (tracks 1+2, 21 to 24 underground)
Total Tracks 26

TRAINS (daily number of arrivals and departures)
Long Distance: 884 (tracks 3–18)
S-Bahn+Long Distance: 442 (tracks 51–54)
S-Bahn 1.281 (tracks 21–24)
S-Bahn 308 (tracks 1+2, SZU)
Total: 2.915 trains - 1'063'975 per year

Shunting moves (daily) about 5.000 (incl. yards)

Passengers (daily) 360.000

Switches and Signals
Switches: 799
dwarf Signals: 791
Main Signals: 177

Included is also Shopville/Railcity - one of the biggest and most frequented shopping malls in the country (underground)
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Old June 6th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #370
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I read Zurich HB main hall is the biggest Covered Roof Plaza in Europe. They organise on it Beach Volley Ball tournaments, Cinema Nights, Christmas Markets, Football Public Viewing, Ice Skating rink, etc.
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Old June 7th, 2007, 11:47 AM   #371
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That's correct And don't forget the weekly Wednesday market and the techno party after the Streetparade (isn't it called "Mainstation"?).

And I guess that you know it best with your nick
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Old June 9th, 2007, 11:07 AM   #372
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So the gare du Nord gets 500.000 a day?
Hamburg HBF gets 450.000 btw.
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Old June 9th, 2007, 02:07 PM   #373
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Yes but the subway and RER E are not include.
Secondly the train traffic of Paris the weekends is very low.
In reality in workday it is more like 800,000 passengers.

The gare Saint Lazare is in the same case, (It doesn't include subway and RER.) in the traffic of suburban train is very low the weeds ends.
In reallity it is more like 600,000 passengers per workdays.
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Yes but the subway and RER E are not include.
Secondly the train traffic of Paris the weekends is very low.
In reality in workday it is more like 800,000 passengers.

The gare Saint Lazare is in the same case, (It doesn't include subway and RER.) in the traffic of suburban train is very low the weeds ends.
In reallity it is more like 600,000 passengers per workdays.

St.Lazaire is listed with 274.000 a day on wiki.
Seems more realistic imo.
Hamburg also only counts the DB travelers btw. (no subway etc.)
On wiki gare du nord is listed with half a million.
800.000 seems a bit much, then again the freqeuncy here in Germany goes sharply up on the weekends aswell.
Frankfurt HBF gets 350.000 a day btw. same as Munich HBF.

the thing that Im wodering about: Ive been to many railway stations including gare du nord/gare du lest etc.
And Ive gotta say that Frankfurt seemed busier than those, or atleast equally as busy as the gare du nord.
gare du lest (93.000 a day) however was very quiet every time Ive been there.
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On Wiki it says that Leipzig HBF is the biggest terminus in Europe.
It certainly is the biggest in Germany followed by Frankfurt.
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Old June 9th, 2007, 09:44 PM   #376
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On Wiki it says that Leipzig HBF is the biggest terminus in Europe.
It certainly is the biggest in Germany followed by Frankfurt.
What is the measure here of "biggest" ?
  • area?
  • volume?
  • platforms?
  • passengers?
  • aggregate platform length?
  • track length?
  • train movements?

Very impressive station, from the photo!
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I think its the size of the (main) building.
Frankfurt has one railtrack more than Leipzig if I remember correctly.
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Old June 10th, 2007, 05:34 AM   #378
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St.Lazaire is listed with 274.000 a day on wiki.
Seems more realistic imo.
Hamburg also only counts the DB travelers btw. (no subway etc.)
On wiki gare du nord is listed with half a million.
800.000 seems a bit much, then again the freqeuncy here in Germany goes sharply up on the weekends aswell.
Frankfurt HBF gets 350.000 a day btw. same as Munich HBF.

the thing that Im wodering about: Ive been to many railway stations including gare du nord/gare du lest etc.
And Ive gotta say that Frankfurt seemed busier than those, or atleast equally as busy as the gare du nord.
gare du lest (93.000 a day) however was very quiet every time Ive been there.

Go in Saint Lazare othe week ends the station is empty.
but go in Saint Lazare on workday the station really is crowed.

It is about the same for Gare du Nord. (Actually 80% of the traffic of Gare du Nord is suburban for see the real traffic go in RER B and D platforms, in RER E platform and in suburban rail platform not in TGV and intercity train platforms ).

Gare de l'est is not busy because the majority of its suburban traffic is now on the RER E wich is not counted with Gare du Nord and Gare Saint Lazare.
Actually the RER E come at Haussman Saint Lazare station and the at Magenta station (Gare du Nord).

The suburban station of Gare du Nord is here.


800,000 seem you to much for Paris but don't forget the Chatelet les Halles station host this number of passengers on average day (Not workday).

Don't forget that Paris is a way bigger than any german cities.
Paris seem busy on the saturday but it really anything compared at the workday.
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Don't forget that Paris is a way bigger than any german cities.
Paris seem busy on the saturday but it really anything compared at the workday.
Paris is bigger than any german city thats corect, that said it would be nice to see a listing of the Rhein-Rhurs (which is bigger than Paris by a margin) trainstations here aswell.
Germany has the biggest population and I think we surely have much more rail passengers here per day than in any other country in Europe.
Frankfurt is a rail cross point and I have my doubts how one station in Paris (because there are so many of them) is just as busy.
Ive been to gare du nord a few months ago on a weekday.
And to me I thought that Frankfurt seemed busier when it came to train movements, people etc...
But thats just my opinion. But maybe they do count in the passengers of regional trains aswell dont you think?

Interior view Gare du Nord:



Interior view Frankfurt HBF



this is what it says on Wiki btw:

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Frankfurt (Main) Hauptbahnhof (usually translated from German as Frankfurt (Main) Central Station, short form: Frankfurt (Main) Hbf) is the Hauptbahnhof for Frankfurt am Main and, along with Leipzig Hauptbahnhof, is one of the largest terminal stations in Europe. Regarding passenger volume alone, it is the second largest station outside Japan.
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I agree that Frankfurt is a very busy terminal, I have never said that Gare Saint Lazare has a biggest a passenger volume than Frankfurt Hautbanof.
I have said than 274,000 passengers per average day (not workday) don't show the reality of this station because Gare Saint Lazare is empty the week ends.

When I said empty it is like this, you can imigine that this station has 274,000 passengers per day, no ? It is because this picture was taken in the weeks end.
Now weekends represent 30% of the year and this station is aslo empty on the holidays because unlike the other it has not a high intercity traffic.


So if we beviele at that message.
it said that regarding passenger volume alone, Frankfurt HBF
is the second largest station outside Japan.

So the first outside Japan is Gare du Nord.

It is the main lines terminal and I said that 80% of its passengers traffic is suburban.


Suburban station of Gare du Nord is delimited by ticket gates (It is more contactless card gate than ticket gates) like this
The exemple is actually in Gare de l'Est
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