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Old June 14th, 2007, 12:20 PM   #421
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Although I really like the elevated U-bahn lines, I actually meant the S-bahn and intercity line that loops arund the north of the city center. The one which has Zoo Station, Hauptbahnhof, Alexanderplatz and a few more in between. This in my opinion is the coolest elevated rail line in the world. It has so much character and atmosphere.
Right, I see.
Yeah, its definitely a cool line but it runs straight through the city centre.


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It is important to note that the line that Alexanderplatz and Friedrichstrasse, Hauptbahnof, Zoo etc doesn't cut through the central part of the city (though at Friedrichstrasse it gets close) but to the north
It does. It goes straight through the center.

This is how the ICE goes through Berlin on the east-west axis (main stations):

Spandau - Zoo - Lehrter - Friedrichstrasse - Alexanderplatz - Ostbahnhof


ICE stops are: Spandau-Lehrter-Ostbahnhof

On the north-south axis the stops are: Südkreuz-Lehrter-Nordkreuz
(the new train station at the new BBI airport will probably also be connected to that line)

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Old June 14th, 2007, 12:30 PM   #422
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Please feel free provide the information :O) This list is made up by people supplying details. We need your help :O)

By the way, it should include all "platforms" (not tracks itself) and by all that also means any U-bahn or S-bahn platforms whether they are underground, or directly connected somehow to the station (but not seperated by walking down a street or through other unrelated buildings). Tram's are not included.

Looking forward to your input.
Ok, great
Ill might contribute a bit here and there
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Old June 14th, 2007, 01:56 PM   #423
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It does. It goes straight through the center.

This is how the ICE goes through Berlin on the east-west axis (main stations):
Maybe we have a different interpretation of city center, but to me, it mainly passes around the edge of the city center.

Of cause, Berlin having two city centers due to the cold war split, this is a bit different to other cities, but the division seems clear to me. Zoological Gtn stop, and the main part is to the south, Tiergarten and the main park is below it. It then travels further north, with all of the city south of it, especially seen at the Hauptbahnhof, then at Friedrichstasse, it's still at the edge etc.

Going through the center from my point of view is what it would do if it followed say U1 or U2. What it is doing is passing the edge of the city center

This is vastly different to what would happen in London say if it went through the city center, e.g. from Euston or kings Cross to Victoria Station. That would cut the city center completely in half.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 01:58 PM   #424
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By the way Checker, I must ask you a question on this Berlin network plan. What exactly are the grey lines. It says in the legend, metrotram, metrobus. Are these just normal buses for most of the Western side of the city?
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Commo...d/file/id/1398
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Old June 14th, 2007, 02:15 PM   #425
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Maybe we have a different interpretation of city center, but to me, it mainly passes around the edge of the city center.

Of cause, Berlin having two city centers due to the cold war split, this is a bit different to other cities, but the division seems clear to me. Zoological Gtn stop, and the main part is to the south, Tiergarten and the main park is below it. It then travels further north, with all of the city south of it, especially seen at the Hauptbahnhof, then at Friedrichstasse, it's still at the edge etc.

I think it pretty much goes through all centers.
First it arrives in the Zoo which is the center of the west.
The station is directly in the center.
Then it continues to the Lehrter which is just a stones throw away from the Brandenburg gate.
Then it passes through the Friedrichstrasse which is pretty much right in the old city center (Mitte) just like the Hackesche Höfe which it also passes.
Then it goes through the Alexanderplatz (straight through it) which is the center of the east.

You can see it here:



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Going through the center from my point of view is what it would do if it followed say U1 or U2. What it is doing is passing the edge of the city center
The U1 is operating more southwards.
It goes through the city west but it doesnt pass the city center (Mitte)
And it is also elevated for a large part just like the U2.
So it also cuts into the city structure in many areas.

Found a nice pic of the U1 crossing the Oberbaumbrücke in the east near the Warchauer Strasse




But the U2 runs through the city thats correct.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 02:25 PM   #426
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^ All I can say here is that we agree to disagree. It is eveident that we have differing interpretations of what is a city center. But then again, differences is what makes this world so interesting :O)

By the way, that's a seriously cool picture of the U1 and I never did get to visit that bridge. Brilliant angle.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #427
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By the way Checker, I must ask you a question on this Berlin network plan. What exactly are the grey lines. It says in the legend, metrotram, metrobus. Are these just normal buses for most of the Western side of the city?
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Commo...d/file/id/1398
Good question, Im not a Berliner so Im not 100% sure
There are the metro bus and the metro tram lines.
Those do not include all bus or tram lines
There are, for example also the normal bus lines and the express bus lines. There are also normal tram lines.

You can have a look here under point 1:

http://www.berliner-verkehr.de/

And here is some info about the tram network (both the metro and the normal one)

http://www.berliner-verkehr.de/

this is the complete tram network: (there are no trams in west Berlin btw)

http://www.berlinverkehr.com/netze/070529_tramnetz.pdf
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All I can say here is that we agree to disagree. It is eveident that we have differing interpretations of what is a city center. But then again, differences is what makes this world so interesting :O)
Ok, fine then

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By the way, that's a seriously cool picture of the U1 and I never did get to visit that bridge. Brilliant angle.
Go there the next time youre in Berlin.
Its the Oberbaumbrücke which is located next to the Warschauer Strasse station. It marks the old division line between Kreuzberg (west) and Friedrichshain (east)

Heres another pic:

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Old June 14th, 2007, 04:10 PM   #429
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Here's my updated list of the "top terminals" (by no. of platforms). Specifically:
  • includes Lyon stations
  • includes several Chicago terminals
  • includes Antwerp
  • would include Essen, except for doubts over tracks versus platforms

Where it's obvious, "metro" platforms have been excluded (consistent with the treatment of other terminals).

I haven't included totals for cities at this stage, since it's obvious there'll be more edits.

17 and more platforms:



11-16 platforms:


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Old June 14th, 2007, 04:16 PM   #430
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Thanks
but in all the other stations metro platforms are include, it should be include in Part Dieu.


A small error, It is Gare du Nord not Gare l'Nord
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Old June 14th, 2007, 04:20 PM   #431
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but in all the other stations metro platforms are include, it should be include in Part Dieu.


A small error, It is Gare du Nord not Gare l'Nord
I'll fix that ... but in London, and NY at least, the metro platforms haven't been counted . Many other cities as well.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 04:43 PM   #432
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Nope, in Paris, London,Tokyo and New York City... stations metro platforms are include.
See the first pages of this thread.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 05:09 PM   #433
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Yeap, as far as I know, all stations are including metro.
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Perhaps some UK input here would be helpful. I'm happy to make corrections if wrong.
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Old June 14th, 2007, 05:44 PM   #435
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^ Here's a link to wikipedia for Euston Station in London. 24 platforms on our list. Wikipedia points out 18 mainline platforms and 6 underground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euston_railway_station
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Old June 14th, 2007, 05:57 PM   #436
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I'll update for Chicago since I was use to looking at this list instead of the color list......
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Largest Stations:

30 platforms or more (12)

52: Grand Central (New York)
48: Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
38: Saint Lazare (Paris)
36: Est (Paris)
36: Montparnasse (Paris)
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
30: Union Station (Chicago

25-29 Platforms (12 Stations)

29: Austerlitz (Paris)
29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
29: Porta Romana (Milan)
27: Atocha (Madrid)
27: Karlsruhe Hauptbahnhof
26: Kings Cross/St.Pancras
26: Lyon (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Sydney Central
25: Ueno (Tokyo)

20-25 Platforms (14 Stations):

24: Chamartín (Madrid)
24: Stazione Centrale (Milan)
24: Euston (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Bruxelles-Midi
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Porta Garibaldi (Milan)
20: Paddington (London)

15-19 Platforms (26 Stations)

19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
19: Helsinki Central
19: Oslo Central
19: Perrache (Lyon)
18: Retiro (Buenos Aires)
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
18: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment (UK)
16: Constitución (Buenos Aires)
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Ogilvie (Chicago)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Flandres (Lille)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
16: Dresden Hauptbahnhof
15: Stratford (London)
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal

10-14 Platforms (40 Stations)

14: Estacio de França (Barcelona, Spain)
14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Luzern (terminal)
14: Berlin Lehrter Hauptbahnhof
14: Barcelona Sants (Spain)
14: 30th Street Station (Philadelphia, PA)
13: Greco-Bicocca (Milan)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Santa Justa (Seville, Spain)
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona, Spain)
12: Bruxelles-Nord
12: Reading (UK)
12: Part Dieu (Lyon)
12: Millenium (Chicago)
11: Porta Genova (Milan)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
11: Berlin Ostbahnhof (East-Station)
11: Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof
10: Cadorna F.N.M. (Milan)
10: Berlin Nordkreuz/Gesundbrunnen
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)
10: Köln Hauptbahnhof
10: Once (Buenos Aires)
10: Principe Pío (Madrid)


City Totals for Main Terminii


213: Paris (France)
202: London (UK)
190: Tokyo (Japan)
97: New York (USA)
97: Milan (Italy)
95: Moscow (Russia)
74: Osaka (Japan)
61: Madrid (Spain)
58: Chicago (USA)
44: Buenos Aires (Argentina)
43: Berlin (Germany)
43: Nagoya (Japan)
39: Calcutta (Kolkutta) (India)
39: Munich (Germany)
32: Frankfurt (Germany)
31: Lyon (France)
29: Yokohama (Japan)
28: Barcelona (Spain)
28: Hamburg (Germany)
28: Melbourne (Australia)
26: Brussels (Belgium)
27: Karlsruhe (Germany)
26: Leipzig (Germany)
26: Zürich (Switzerland)
25: Sydney (Australia)
19: Helsinki (Finland)
19: Stuttgart (Germany)
19: Oslo (Norway)
18: Basel (Switzerland)
18: Marseilles (France)
17: Leeds (UK)
16: Glasgow (UK)
16: Bern (Switzerland)
16: Lille (France)
16: Dresden (Germany)
15: Rotterdam (Netherlands)
14: Manchester (UK)
14: Luzern (Switzerland)
14: Utrecht (Netherlands)
14: Chiba (Japan)
14: Odawara (Japan)
13: Amsterdam (Netherlands)
12: Seville (Spain)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag (The Hague) (Netherlands)
12: Nagoya (Japan)
12: Yokohama (Japan)
12: Reading (UK)
11: Nürnberg (Nurenberg)
10: Brisbane (Australia)
10: Olten (Switzerland)
10: Köln (Cologne) (Germany)
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Old June 14th, 2007, 06:55 PM   #437
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Wiesbaden Hauptbahnhof: 11 platforms (10 in use), 50000 passengers/day
Darmstadt Hauptbahnhof: 11 platforms, 220trains, 35000 passengers/day
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29: Nagoya
16: Hakata (Fukuoka)
14: Sapporo
14: Okayama
14: Morioka
14: Kokura (Kita-Kyushu)
13: Takasaki
12: Hiroshima
12: Fukushima
12: Nagano
12: Himeji
11: Niigata
11: Toyohashi
10: Akita
10: Toyama
10: Oyama
10: Kagoshima-Chuo (Kagoshima)

Please add these stations to the list.
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According to Wikipedia:
Munich Ostbahnhof has 14 passenger platforms (with a total of 17).
Munich Pasing has 9 platforms.
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