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Old December 12th, 2007, 04:01 AM   #501
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where is Rome on that list ???
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:49 AM   #502
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the Paris station has 213 platforms??????????????


Or is that total of all stations??
Of course there is no Paris station with 213 platforms, like there is no London station and no Tokyo station
It is the total for all railway terminals over 10 platforms (Bercy is not include).

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Old December 12th, 2007, 04:38 PM   #503
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Union Station in Toronto is not a terminal!
Then neither is Shinjuku.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 04:41 PM   #504
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Yes, but it's a through station - for a lot of trains it's not the last stop on the line.
Most trains of GO Transit, by far the largest user, does terminate most of its trains there. Only Lakeshore trains (which, East and West, make up 2 of its 7 lines) run through service, and the odd exception where a Lakeshore train turns into another line like Stouffville or Bradford (it does happen, but only a couple times a day max).

Shinjuku sees WAAAAAAY more through-trains than Union, as a PERCENTAGE of service, and its on the list. I call foul, BIG TIME.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 04:01 PM   #505
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Good to see this thread alive again.

Here are the tables I last posted:

Largest Stations:









Some City totals:








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Old December 19th, 2007, 05:50 PM   #506
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Barcelona nowadays, 28 tracks:
-SANTS station: 14 tracks.
-FRANÇA station: 14 tracks.

In 2009, 48 tracks, with the new one:
-SAGRERA station 20 tracks.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 05:57 PM   #507
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Barcelona nowadays, 28 tracks:
-SANTS station: 14 tracks.
-FRANÇA station: 14 tracks.

In 2009, 48 tracks, with the new one:
-SAGRERA station 20 tracks.
Tracks, or platforms? A platform if somewhere you would normally step from to board a train ... or step off to get off one. Will Sagrera supplant existing stations/platforms?
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Old December 19th, 2007, 06:05 PM   #508
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Tracks, or platforms? A platform if somewhere you would normally step from to board a train ... or step off to get off one. Will Sagrera supplant existing stations/platforms?
Tracks. In Spain, normally, 1 platform serves 2 tracks.

Barcelona Sagrera station is not going to supplant any existing station.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 06:47 PM   #509
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Tracks. In Spain, normally, 1 platform serves 2 tracks.
Your comment may throw some light on issues in this thread. Are you saying, that an area of pavement I could walk about with a track on either side would be called a single "platform" in Spain ? This is not the case here: note the numbering of the "platforms" below:



Up front, "6" means you board on the left, "5" on the right. To us this is two platforms, not one.

Here's another view of the same station (Southern Cross, Melbourne):



There are additional tracks between the tracks at which passengers board to enable locomotives to detach from the front of the train, run round to the rear, and take the train out again (the trains in the photos don't require these operations).

So tell me ... looking at these photos (and noting the signage).. is a Catalonian Platform the same thing as an Australian one, or not?

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Old December 20th, 2007, 01:02 AM   #510
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Year, it does get confusing. Many Europeans seem to define platforms as "tracks". Although I don't understand why Bitxofo mentioned 1 platform equals 2 tracks, as even in Spain I have seen separate numbers for each side of the single "platform", which indicates it as 2 platforms (though sharing the same physical "island")
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Old December 20th, 2007, 02:23 AM   #511
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I have just come back from Paris and saw a track plan in le gare de nord.

It's tracks are numbered from 2-21 and 30-44.

So it actually has 35 tracks.
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Interesting. I thought it was like this:

Platforms 1 and 2: Service platforms, not open to the public.
Platforms 3 to 6: Terminus of the London Eurostar via the Channel Tunnel.
Platforms 7 and 8: Thalys platforms for Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany.
Platforms 9 to 29: TGV North, Main Line trains, then the Picard TER
Platforms 30 to 40: Suburban station
In the basement, platforms 41 to 44: RER station
Paris Metro, further 4 platforms.

Maybe I'm wrong.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 04:18 AM   #513
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Year, it does get confusing. Many Europeans seem to define platforms as "tracks". Although I don't understand why Bitxofo mentioned 1 platform equals 2 tracks, as even in Spain I have seen separate numbers for each side of the single "platform", which indicates it as 2 platforms (though sharing the same physical "island")
Yes, you are right.

Anyway, I did not say "1 platform equals 2 tracks". I meant that one "phisical island" serves 2 tracks. Exactly the same as seen in the photos of Melbourne station.

In this case, in Spain, we can say 1 track means 1 platform.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 10:40 AM   #515
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Good to see this thread alive again.

Here are the tables I last posted:

Largest Stations:
I still say Toronto Union Station is supposed to be on there since stations like Shinjuku (whose vast majority of services are through-service) make the cut. Toronto Union has 13 serviceable tracks (16 including unserviceable) plus 2 subway tracks for a total of 15 (excludes LRT loop).
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Old December 20th, 2007, 02:49 PM   #516
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It has been mentioned before, but I'll repeat; Oslo central has 2 subway-platforms connected to it, therefore the total for Oslo central: 19 + 2 = 21
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Old December 20th, 2007, 06:13 PM   #517
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Interesting. I thought it was like this:

Platforms 1 and 2: Service platforms, not open to the public.
Platforms 3 to 6: Terminus of the London Eurostar via the Channel Tunnel.
Platforms 7 and 8: Thalys platforms for Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany.
Platforms 9 to 29: TGV North, Main Line trains, then the Picard TER
Platforms 30 to 40: Suburban station
In the basement, platforms 41 to 44: RER station
Paris Metro, further 4 platforms.

Maybe I'm wrong.
That is what I read on wikipedia, can only presume the author has not seen the track plan.

I'm not sure why there is such a fragmented track numbering system but maybe it's to clarify where service type is segregated? (i.e. TGV/suburban)

So seemingly it goes like this:

2: Service platform
3-6: Eurostar platforms
7-8: Thalys platforms
9-21: TGV, Corail and TER Picard platforms
30-40: Transilien Regional & Suburban platforms
41-44: RER platforms

Infact that seems to work quite well, the biggest numbering gap accounts for the space between mainline and local platforms.
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Old December 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM   #518
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Re the tables previously posted - The one thing that strikes me is counting Charing Cross and Embankment as the same station is really misleading. They are separate stations - indeed two tube lines have stations at both Charing Cross and Embankment. The counting in the table above counts two platforms on each of the 2 tube lines, aswell as two platforms on each of the same 2 tube lines at another station further up the line.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 06:24 PM   #519
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Tracks. In Spain, normally, 1 platform serves 2 tracks.

Barcelona Sagrera station is not going to supplant any existing station.
Well after Sants was expanded in 82 the traffic diminished from Franca up to a point when they started to close down several tracks. I might be wrong but I think I've read that they were discussing alternative use for the building.

When Sagrera is built Renfe will probably dump Franca cause it is to large and to expensive to maintain for a relative small number of users and beside it is a sack station, all trainoperators hate them.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 09:00 PM   #520
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Today I took some pictures in França station, I try to post them later.
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