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Old April 25th, 2006, 07:48 PM   #61
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How's about adding together the total number of terminal platforms for each city? That would be fun

Remember you'd have to exclude through platforms, but for London you'd be adding:

Waterloo
Victoria
Charing Cross
Blackfriars
Cannon Street
London Bridge
Fenchurch Street
Liverpool Street
Moorgate
King's Cross
St Pancras
Euston
Marylebone
Paddington

...and debateably Baker Street

Maybe 150? (very rough guess)
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Old April 25th, 2006, 08:38 PM   #62
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Zürich Hauptbahnhof

This one hasn't been mantioned but it's the biggest in Switserland.

It has 22 terminal platforms in total on three locations in the station (Bahnhof Museumstrasse (16), Bahnhof SZU (2) and Bahnhof Sihlpost (4)).
And 4 through platforms in a tunnel under the station (Bahnhof Löwenstrasse).


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Old April 26th, 2006, 02:56 AM   #63
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Paris from the air and its railway stations:


You forgor the new station "Paris Bercy"

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Old April 26th, 2006, 07:45 AM   #64
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I'm not Yardmaster, but I can tell you that 13 platforms is about right - platform 1 is 700m long but most of it is fenced off because most of it is not needed and not used. There's also platform 14 which is an extension of platform 1, but it's used very rarely. There was a platform that had its tracks removed though, I can't remember if that's been counted or not. All my trains stop at platform 6 or 7 so it doesn't concern me :P

And in the first post, as he said, there's 14 platforms that are currently operational - but some platforms are long enough and have the track and signalling to fit multiple trains. I'd count platform 8 South as a separate platform though.
I's say 15 (operational) for Southern Cross, including 8 south, of which 6 are through platforms. Several others function as double platforms but without further scutiny I won't claim them.

For Flinders St., 1-10, 11 is out of service, plus 10,11 & 1 east (aka 12,13,14) ... that makes 13.

I only claimed 22 for Melbourne as a whole, for the reasons given in posting #1.

Thanks to everyone who's contributed here: especially the photos and the maps. A mine of information!

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Old April 26th, 2006, 07:56 AM   #65
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How's about adding together the total number of terminal platforms for each city? That would be fun

Remember you'd have to exclude through platforms, but for London you'd be adding:

Waterloo
Victoria
Charing Cross
Blackfriars
Cannon Street
London Bridge
Fenchurch Street
Liverpool Street
Moorgate
King's Cross
St Pancras
Euston
Marylebone
Paddington

...and debateably Baker Street

Maybe 150? (very rough guess)
I thought of suggesting this the other night, but then got paranoid and thought people might think I was being to nosey.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 08:27 AM   #66
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Updated Vapour, thanks!

What a great thread Idea, here is what we have so far:

44: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahmhof
30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Gare de Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Glasgow Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Gare de Marseille-Saint Charles
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Gare de Flandres (Lille)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
172: Paris
95: Moscow
71: Osaka
44: New York
39: Calcutta
32: Frankfurt
28: Melbourne
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
14: Manchester
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane

Based on Terminus' with over 10 platforms.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 08:31 AM   #67
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Ok, can we clear up which of these are actually terminus'

32: Nagoya
21: Namba (Osaka)
16: Hakata (Fukuoka)
14: Sapporo
13: Kawasaki
12: Yurakucho/Hibiya (Tokyo)
12: Nagano
10: Akihabara (Tokyo)
10: Otemachi (Tokyo)
10: Nagatacho/Akasakamitsuke (Tokyo)
10: Utsunomiya

and

17: Okayama
16: Oyama
15: Takasaki
15: Fukushima
14: Nigata
14: Morioka
13: Toyohashi
13: Koriyama
13: Shinyamaguchi (Yamaguchi)
12: Nishifunabashi (Funabashi)
12: Hiroshima (trams not included)
10: Akita

Then I'll add them to the list. Looks as though Tokyo will top the table with the most platforms of major terminus'

@Tubeman, got there a while ago, adds up to 194.

@anyone. Camaway posted Milan with 24 platforms. I wish to add this, but does anyone know if that includes the metro platforms and any additional underground suburban platforms?
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Old April 26th, 2006, 10:32 AM   #68
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I don't know what you really mean by Terminus. Do you mean the number of tracks where the station is the last stop? Because in Tokyo station, all of the Shinkansen tracks terminate, but about half of the local lines have through service. And I'm pretty sure I only saw 2 tracks each for the Sobu rapid and Keiyo lines.

And yeah, Vapour, I seem to have added too many zeroes...
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Old April 26th, 2006, 11:29 AM   #69
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More data about Zürich:
Main Tracks 16 (3–18, overground)
S-Bahn Tracks 6 (1+2, 21–24, underground)
S-Bahn-Tracks 4 (51–54, overground)

Train Movement (daily)
870 (Tracks. 3–18, National/International)
1250 (Gl. 21–24, S-Bahn)
429 (Gl. 51–54, S-Bahn)
190 (Gl. 1+2, S-Bahn, SZU)
Total: 2739 Trains

Passengers 350'000 (daily)
124'600'000 (annual)

More pics:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=221636
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Old April 26th, 2006, 12:02 PM   #70
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Quote:
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You forgor the new station "Paris Bercy"
What is new ?

I know some trains (car sleeper trains) have their terminus in this stations but tracks are terminus as well ?
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Old April 26th, 2006, 12:05 PM   #71
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TErminus meaning no thru tracks..
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Old April 26th, 2006, 12:18 PM   #72
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I don't know what you really mean by Terminus. Do you mean the number of tracks where the station is the last stop? Because in Tokyo station, all of the Shinkansen tracks terminate, but about half of the local lines have through service. And I'm pretty sure I only saw 2 tracks each for the Sobu rapid and Keiyo lines.

And yeah, Vapour, I seem to have added too many zeroes...
I was waiting for some angst about this, in particular, in regard to Flinders St. Melbourne. Other stations which might be questioned here are Sydney Central (in part) and Penn Central (NY), which so far hasn't rated a mention, and as far as I'm concerned, deserves to be included.

The "terminal" status wasn't designed to count the number of buffer stops: it was intended to prevent the inclusion of stations whose tracks simply run through to somewhere else more important: e.g. in Melbourne, east of Flinders St. lies Richmond, but its 10 platforms & 10 tracks all just run on to Flinders St. (plus two branching to Parliament), so counting this station in a Melbourne aggegate total would be simply counting the same tracks again. Likewise in London, I appreciate the posting for Clapham Junction (including the photos), but you couldn't add its platforms to a total for the city.

Flinders St. actually spouts 14 tracks to the east and 6 (formerly 10!) to the west, so maybe we could argue that it's not a terminus. Never-the-less, almost every train that passes through it "terminates" there, as an "up train", and is redispatched there, as a "down train". That's good enough for me, and that's why I haven't included the 6 tracks at Southern Cross in my Melbourne total, because they're running from Flinders St. through to somewhere else.

Sydney Central has 25 platforms, 10 of which run through: 2 to Bondi Junction, 2 across the Harbour Bridge to the North Shore Line, and 6 to the City Circle. As far as I'm concerned, Sydney Central has 25 platforms.

Penn Central NY as far as I understand, handles Amtrak traffic on the Washington/Boston corridor (correct me if I'm wrong). I understand the lines run through, and maybe that's why it hasn't been mentioned yet. But, in my language, its platforms should be added to the New York total.

The same goes for Old & New Delhi. Neither station is a terminal in the true sense of the word, but I'd be interested to know how many platforms there are, and how many trains and passengers terminate there.

I'd love to see some more data for Victoria, Mumbai (this thread won't be complete without a decent photo!). Also, what about Beijing? Several terminii there, one of which looks huge in the only photo I ever saw of it. Howrah in Kolkutta (did I do that right?) is also pretty busy.

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^ excellent summary Yardmaster.

Yes, basically for the reasons you mentioned, stations like Clapton Junction & Richmond shouldn't be included. Another thing I have avoided is major stations outside the central core, Stratford in London is an example of this.

I wanted to include Penn, as it should be on the list for NY, but a search to find exactly how many platforms are in use has not succeeded. I was hoping a NY local could post that information.

Likewise, although the general idea is for a Terminus station, most of these stations also have some through traffic, and these platforms should also be included (like Sydney or Waterloo etc)
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28: Zürich Main Station
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
28: Zürich
26: Zürich
Hauptbahnhof and Main station is the same thing (one german the other english)

it has at the moment 26 tracks, so the number for Zürich would be 26 aswell (all major trains go to the Hauptbahnhof)

There is a plan to build 4 more tracks, but they prolly will replace the 4 s-bahn tracks that are overground.

So 28 is not correct.
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Hauptbahnhof and Main station is the same thing (one german the other english)

it has at the moment 26 tracks, so the number for Zürich would be 26 aswell (all major trains go to the Hauptbahnhof)

There is a plan to build 4 more tracks, but they prolly will replace the 4 s-bahn tracks that are overground.

So 28 is not correct.
hehe, I know that. I must have written them in from two different sources by accident. I'll correct. Funny thing is, I don't remember where I wrote the 28 platforms from....?
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why summing only over 10 platforms? terminus central station still terminus central station, no matter how much platforms there...
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Old April 26th, 2006, 02:00 PM   #77
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Here's some interesting diagrams of train sheds in different countries:

Britain:


France:


Germanic, Central Europe and Low Countries:


More can be found at this site, including Japan, some countries in South America and other parts of Europe.
http://www.p.lodz.pl/I35/personal/jw...rainsheds.html
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why summing only over 10 platforms? terminus central station still terminus central station, no matter how much platforms there...
Originally I put all terminus', however as the list gets longer it will simply be too much information, we had to draw a line somewhere. This list is nothing at the moment as so many cities are missing.
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Wow! you won't get many trainsheds here! We have a state election in november, and whatever else you can throw against them , our Government kept the budget balanced, rebuilt the regional rail network to 21st century standards, and built Melbourne's first decent trainshed: approximately 200m x 150m.
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i'm talking about sum of platforms, not about list of all stations....
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