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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:18 PM   #81
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Portsmouth: 6 terminating platforms
Portsmouth Harbour: 4 terminating platforms
Portsmouth & Southsea: 2 terminating platforms + 2 through platforms (picture unfortunately from 60's)

Brighton: 8 terminating platforms
Brighton: 8 terminating platforms

Glasgow: 22 terminating platforms
Glasgow Central : 16 terminating platforms
Glasgow Queen Street : 6 terminating platforms
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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:26 PM   #82
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Anyone know how many platforms are currently operational at Antwerps masterpiece of a station? I know it's undergoing massive renovation and I believe it should have 14 platforms when finished, but are there 14 currently, or just 10 operational now?
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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:32 PM   #83
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Anyone know how many platforms are currently operational at Antwerps masterpiece of a station? I know it's undergoing massive renovation and I believe it should have 14 platforms when finished, but are there 14 currently, or just 10 operational now?
I know it exactly, because I use it every day...

CURRENT : 6

WHEN FINISHED : 14...


BEFORE THE RENOVATIONS : 10.

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ANTWERP BERCHEM : 10

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BRUSSELS CENTRAL : 6 (but busiest station in Belgium !)
BRUSSELS MIDI : 21 or 22
BRUSSELS NORTH : 12?

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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:44 PM   #84
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From my understanding, Munich's Hauptbahnhof has 39 platforms. 31 Above ground, and 8 below (2 platforms for S1, S2, S4-S8, 2 for S27 and LA, 4 for the U-bahn?)

Can anyone confirm this?
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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:53 PM   #85
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why summing only over 10 platforms? terminus central station still terminus central station, no matter how much platforms there...
In my humble opinion, all of the terminating lines should be accounted for for any individual city, even if they terminate at a very small station (e.g. Singapore: 2, but a magnificent booking hall!)

Thanks to Justme for doing the arithmetic.

Here's what we have at the moment:

20 Largest Railway Stations:


1 to5:

44: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahmhof

6 to 10:

30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)

11 to 15:

27: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)

16 to 20 (yes, I know what you're going to say!):

25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto

(actually 21, but someone will sooner or later rule one out).

Largest City Terminals (and wow to those who hit the tonne!)

City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
172: Paris
95: Moscow
71: Osaka
44: New York
39: Calcutta
32: Frankfurt
28: Melbourne
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney

I humbly reduce my own city (Melbourne) to 22, removing it fron the top twelve. My suspicion is that Moscow and New York are understated here, but neither will change its position. I think Tokyo will drop back to 3rd place. also, Kolkatta needs to be upped a bit ( there are other stations!)
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Old April 26th, 2006, 03:54 PM   #86
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Excellent, now that we have some good info for NY, we can watch it rightfully climb the table. I presume Atlantic Terminal is in a central location, as we really are only talking central stations here rather than large suburban ones. I'll put it in anyway

52: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
26: Midi (Brussels)
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Gare de Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal
14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Gare de Marseille-Saint Charles
14: Luzern (terminal)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Gare de Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
177: Paris
97: New York
95: Moscow
74: Osaka
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Brussels
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
19: Stuttgart
18: Basel
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
16: Bern
15: Rotterdam
14: Manchester
14: Luzern
14: Utrecht
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
13: Amsterdam
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag
12: Barcelona
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane
10: Olten (Switzerland)

Ok, so we are still desperate for full NY Accurate numbers for Penn Station (including subway) and any other major central station/terminus (platform count, not track count)

@Coth, Could you do a run down of all the terminus' for Moscow, with platform count, as I am not sure everything is accurate here.

Based on Terminus' with over 10 platforms. Note: Should we start including ALL terminus/Main central stations including those under 10 platforms? Some cities like Berlin may not even get counted as they have multiple smaller stations?
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Old April 26th, 2006, 04:32 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by Justme
Another update: (@poller1, thanks, I found an article for Midi that stated 22 platforms)

44: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahmhof
30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Midi (Brussels)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Gare de Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Glasgow Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Gare de Marseille-Saint Charles
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Gare de Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
172: Paris
95: Moscow
71: Osaka
44: New York
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
22: Brussels
19: Stuttgart
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
14: Manchester
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane

Based on Terminus' with over 10 platforms.
Why don't you count the Central and North (and Luxembourg) stations for Brussels?

I see for many stations you do count underground (U-bahn, underground, subway, métro...) platforms.

Let me try to give some figures for Antwerp and Brussels (I hope the Brussels people will correct me if I'm wrong) :

UNDERGROUND PLATFORMS FOR BELGIAN STATIONS :

BRUSSELS MIDI : metro : 2 platforms
premetro : 2 platforms ;
Brings total for midi at 26 platforms.

BRUSSELS CENTRAL : metro : 2 platforms

BRUSSELS NORTH : premetro : 2 platforms

ANTWERP CENTRAL : premetro : 2 platforms ('Diamant') + 2 platforms ('Astrid') -> those from Astrid station are being connected underground to the Central train station right now. bringing Antwerp Central to 18 (after renovation).
If the Pegasus plan (opening another premetro line serving the Astrid station), this will bring at least 1 extra platform (but this is really long term...).
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Old April 26th, 2006, 04:59 PM   #88
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Justme
Another update: (@poller1, thanks, I found an article for Midi that stated 22 platforms)

44: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahmhof
30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Midi (Brussels)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Gare de Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Glasgow Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Gare de Marseille-Saint Charles
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Gare de Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
172: Paris
95: Moscow
71: Osaka
44: New York
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
22: Brussels
19: Stuttgart
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
14: Manchester
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane

Based on Terminus' with over 10 platforms.
Osaka/Umeda/Nishiumeda/Higashiumeda/Kitashinchi are all identical station. (Each railway company uses its own name, but the same place).
Thus, 33 Platforms, not 30. That's why Osaka/Umeda Stn. is usually considered Japan's largest.
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Old April 26th, 2006, 05:41 PM   #89
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I don't have figure for SPb central stations but i think it should be between 40 and 50 in sum. Google Earth does not show SPb perfectly so i can't check. There are 6 central stations.

if count all central stations and terminations so moscow will have 106 platforms. however most of platforms on kurskiy vokzal are through platforms, but kurskiy vokzal is beginning of two lines to south. next station after kurskiy vokzal on north is kalanchevskaya - beginning of riga direction line (to north), while rizhskiy vokzal is one track branch joining between rzhevskaya and dmitrovskaya stations. the line to north of kurskiy vokzal also connect several more central stations (savelevskiy and leningradskiy by branch and belarusskiy by several through platforms).

green line in center of moscow
http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/272...dny20029nb.gif

together, 3 central stations square has 46 platforms, riga square has 10 platforms (rizhskiy vokzal - 5 , rzhevskaya - 2 and rizhskaya - 3), savelovskiy vokzal square - 10 (vokzal - 8 and savelovskaya station - 2)
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Hmm.. sorry but can anyone tell me exactly what terminal station is?

Satellite
Shinjuku http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11799,0.019956
Tokyo http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om....0118,0.019956
Ikebukuro http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11793,0.019956
Ueno http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11795,0.019956
Omiya (not shown) http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11766,0.019956
Shinagawa http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11808,0.019956
Yokohama http://maps.google.co.jp/maps?t=k&om...11832,0.019956
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Italy has a lot of big station, that are manged by a company, Grandi Stazioni (litteraly Big Stations). Here (select "Our network") you can find them. By the way, the biggest are Roma Termini (Rome) and Milano Centrale (Milan), both are terminal stations.
According to Wikipedia, Roma Termini is the biggest station in Europe. The station has 24 tracks for the national and international trains + others tracks for regional and local trains and for the Fiumicino airport. Certainty is the biggest in Italy. Roma Termini datas taken at www.romatermini.it :

Structural data
225,000 sq. m. total surface area
13,000 sq. m. Hall and Central Gallery
14,000 sq. m. Forum Termini Service Centre
7,000 sq. m. Termini Wing - via Giolitti
13,000 sq.m. of underground passages, down to 12 metres underground
15 km. of platforms
24 tracks
4 km. of underground passageways
20 km. rainwater drainage system
49,791 sq. m. of floor and panelling
12,948 sq. m. of attic
17 fixed staircases and escalators
4 lifts
22 elevators of 3,000-kg capacity load
360 m of moving walkways
1,152 m. of pathways for blind people
8,242 sq. m. of doors and windows
2,000 sq. m. fixtures for ticket office and fancy goods

Flow data
480,000 daily visitors
170 million yearly visitors
50,000 people on a daily average visiting cafeterias and restaurants
800 trains departing and arriving every day

Security
2 Railway Police offices
2 Carabinieri offices (police)
1 Guardia di Finanza office
460 security agents watching 24h/day
300 control cameras
15 inter-com SOS stations
500 fire alarm buttons under glass protection
3,700 smoke detectors
1 gas detection station

Public interest services
1 outpatient clinic
1 surgery
1 post office
1 chemist
585 public telephone facilities
9 cash points
4 bank agencies
5 currency change
1 Hotel Reservation office
1 Catholic chapel

Utilities
240 information monitors and notice boards
3 video walls
1,300 luggage trolleys
60 snack and drink machines along the tracks
100 drinking fountains placed along the platforms

Cafeterias, restaurants and shopping
3 restaurants
4 fast food
11 cafeterias, ice cream parlours
2 drugstore
60 shops in the Termini Forum
170 product categories
8 newsstands
6 tobacconists
1 fitness center

Some photos:





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Old April 26th, 2006, 07:40 PM   #92
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How about Spanish stations?

Barcelona Sants in 2005 (busiest station in Spain):
12 tracks/platforms.
46 million passengers.

In 2007:
14 tracks/platforms
50 million passengers.
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Hmm, we don't have that many real termini. The busiest station is Amsterdam centraal with 250.000 people a day, but most services run through it to cities on the other side of the station.

It has 15 tracks, 11 alongside platforms. Platforums are split up again in a and b parts, so you'll often have two trains behind each other along the same platform.

Next to that there are two subway tracks (is being redeveloped and new ones should be added for the new North-South line) and 8 tram tracks, two of them used for light rail. More and more traffic is being moved to the Southern station though, which is supposed to become the new hub.

Den Haag CS is the only big actual terminus, with all trains ending there. Anyone has pictures of that one?
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The Netherlands, the big four

15: Rotterdam Centraal 13 platforms + 2 metro platforms
14: Utrecht Centraal 14 platforms
13: Amsterdam Centraal: 11 platforms + 2 metro platforms
12: Den Haag Centraal: 12 platforms
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Hmm, we don't have that many real termini. The busiest station is Amsterdam centraal with 250.000 people a day, but most services run through it to cities on the other side of the station.
(photo above)
It has 15 tracks, 11 alongside platforms. Platforums are split up again in a and b parts, so you'll often have two trains behind each other along the same platform.

Next to that there are two subway tracks (is being redeveloped and new ones should be added for the new North-South line) and 8 tram tracks, two of them used for light rail. More and more traffic is being moved to the Southern station though, which is supposed to become the new hub.

Den Haag CS is the only big actual terminus, with all trains ending there. Anyone has pictures of that one?
Thank-you Sweek! Amsterdam's station is renowned!
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It seems that many big stations have both terminal and through services. Frankly if you would like to compare the size of stations, probably the best way is to nominate stations with large numbers of platforms whether they are terminals or not. Otherwise you will have to omit many big stations with large traffic flows just because they are not pure terminals.
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How about Spanish stations?

Barcelona Sants in 2005 (busiest station in Spain):
12 tracks/platforms.
46 million passengers.

In 2007:
14 tracks/platforms
50 million passengers.
Didn't I see a very impressive image of Saragossa Station in the SSC banner? and what about Lisbon?
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Switserland other than Zürich Hauptbahnhof

18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF (terminal?)
This is a through station, but you can see it as a terminus stations back to back. The SBB and SNCF parts have a different electric current and are separated by custom facilities. Most trains from France terminate in the SNCF section and the trains from Germany and the national services terminate in the SBB station. There are through trains, EC services from France terminate at the SNCF station and are then pushed into the SBB section were they get a Swiss loco. The through S-Bahn, to Mulhouse is operated with multi-voltage EMU's.

16: Bern
Bern has 12 normal gauge tracks for the SBB and the BLS trains and 4 narrow gauge tracks for the RBS trains

14: Luzern (terminal)
Luzern has 10 normal gauge platforms and 4 narrow gauge tracks for Zentralbahn trains. There are techinacly more but not all are in use, especially in the narrow gauge section of the station outside the main building.

10: Olten
Olten is the spill station in Switserland, it lays on the crosspoint of the north-south and east-west routes in Switserland.
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It seems that many big stations have both terminal and through services. Frankly if you would like to compare the size of stations, probably the best way is to nominate stations with large numbers of platforms whether they are terminals or not. Otherwise you will have to omit many big stations with large traffic flows just because they are not pure terminals.
See comments above.

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Alright so Im a little confused. Are we only looking for rail lines that end at a station and do not continue forward? Or are we also counting rail platforms that continue on past the city? Either way I have a bunch to add but cant seem to find the numbers. Wikipedia is no help. Penn station in manhattan has yet to be counted and although its a bit smaller than Grand central its far busier. Grand central is only for Metro North trains to the northern suburbs. Penn handles all of Amtrak, and Long Island Rail Road and New Jersey Transit. Amtraks are through trains, LIRR and NJ Transit, its the last stop. Then you have Atlantic Terminal in Brooklyn where I dont have a exact number but its about 10 rail platforms and its an end stop. Then you have Jamaica Terminal, I think it only has 8 platforms, all pass through, but handles over 1000 trains a day. Which is a lot for 8 platforms. It also is a big rail yard. So can someone clear up what you are looking for and I'll try and find these numbers
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