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Old April 28th, 2006, 08:38 AM   #121
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Update: Excellent, so we can finally get some good data for NY and let it rightfully climb up the ladder. I presume Atlantic Terminal is centrally located, as typically, we are only talking about central stations and not large suburban ones. It's in anyway...

52: Grand Central (New York)
40: Gare du Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Gare St Lazare (Paris)
30: Gare de l'Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Gare Montparnasse (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
26: Midi (Brussels)
25: Gare d'Austerlitz (Paris)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Gare de Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal
14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Gare de Marseille-Saint Charles
14: Luzern (terminal)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Gare de Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
177: Paris
97: New York
95: Moscow
74: Osaka
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Brussels
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
19: Stuttgart
18: Basel
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
16: Bern
15: Rotterdam
14: Manchester
14: Luzern
14: Utrecht
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
13: Amsterdam
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag
12: Barcelona
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane
10: Olten (Switzerland)

Ok, so we are still desperate for full NY Accurate numbers for Penn Station (including subway) and any other major central station/terminus (platform count, not track count)

@Coth, Could you do a run down of all the terminus' for Moscow, with platform count, as I am not sure everything is accurate here.

Based on Terminus' with over 10 platforms. Note: Should we start including ALL terminus/Main central stations including those under 10 platforms? Some cities like Berlin may not even get counted as they have multiple smaller stations?
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Old April 28th, 2006, 08:42 AM   #122
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I notice no one has brought up the discussion of whether we should also include main central Terminus stations under 10 platforms. I would assume this is because we don't want it. Still:

Benifits:
*Allows us to see cities which may have their main stations split up into several smaller ones, rather than 1 grand station.
*Adds all the terminus' which gives the full accurate list

Against:
*Makes for a very long list
*A lot of work.
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Old April 28th, 2006, 01:15 PM   #123
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^ cool, but I'm a bit confused over the numbers above and what I got from wikipedia. e.g. wikipedia listed Gare du Nord with 40 platforms including metro & RER.
Actually I don't know if for "Gare du Nord" all these 40 platforms are in use, that's why I found "only" 36 platforms. In the French version of Wikipedia (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_du_Nord_%28Paris%29), it is written 36 platforms and I think there is a gap between 36 and 40 !
But it's sure that these numbers don't take into account neither RER platforms nor subway platforms.

On the other hand, what is sure it's the platforms from 41 to 44 exist: they are used for the and but the trains are not terminus in normal conditions, but it's possible (a "mission code" exists for a terminus at Gare du Nord: "NORD", "NORR", "AUVA", "AUPA"...) in case of perturbation or during the night. It's the same case for the which the station Magenta was constructed further underground to the east of Gare du Nord but these 2 railway stations are connected. I don't want to count subway platforms because there is never a terminus at these subway station (except during a shutdown ).


So to summarize and after verification:
42: Nord (Paris), 36 overground platforms fully terminus, 4 underground platforms for the and partially terminus, 2 overground platform (Magenta) for the partially terminus.
32: Saint Lazare (Paris), 27 overground platforms fully terminus, 3 underground platforms for the fully terminus, 2 underground platforms for the . There is also a gap between the platform number 27 and 31 (see picture of the station Haussmann-St Lazare). The station Auber () is also connected by underground passage to St Lazare but I will not count it.
30: Est (Paris), 30 overground platforms fully terminus.
28: Montparnasse (Paris), 30 overground platforms fully terminus.
27: Austerlitz (Paris), 21 overground platforms fully terminus, 2 underground platforms for the fully terminus, 2 underground platforms for the partially terminus.
22: Lyon (Paris), 18 overground platforms fully terminus, 2 underground platforms for the partially terminus, 2 underground platforms for the partially terminus.

14: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
12: Flandres (Lille)


I hope it's clear...


PS : in French, "gare" means "railway station" so can remove this wor of the list


New list:

52: Grand Central (New York)
42: Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Saint Lazare (Paris)
30: Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
28: Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Austerlitz (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
26: Midi (Brussels)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal
14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
14: Luzern (terminal)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
181: Paris
97: New York
95: Moscow
74: Osaka
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Brussels
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
19: Stuttgart
18: Basel
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
16: Bern
15: Rotterdam
14: Manchester
14: Luzern
14: Utrecht
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
13: Amsterdam
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag
12: Barcelona
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane
10: Olten (Switzerland)
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Old April 28th, 2006, 02:26 PM   #124
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New list with Milano Rail terminal stations

52: Grand Central (New York)
42: Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Saint Lazare (Paris)
30: Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)
29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
29: Porta Romana (Milan)
28: Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Austerlitz (Paris)
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
26: Midi (Brussels)
25: Ueno (Tokyo)
25: Sydney Central
24: Stazione Centrale (Milan)
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Porta Garibaldi (Milan)
20: Paddington (London)
19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal
14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
14: Luzern (terminal)
13: Greco-Bicocca (Milan)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
11: Porta Genova (Milan)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
10: Cadorna F.N.M. (Milan)
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)


City Totals for Main Terminus'

194: London
190: Tokyo
181: Paris
97: New York
97: Milan
95: Moscow
74: Osaka
39: Calcutta
39: Munich
32: Frankfurt
28: Hamburg
28: Melbourne
26: Brussels
26: Leipzig
26: Zürich
25: Sydney
19: Stuttgart
18: Basel
17: Leeds
16: Glasgow
16: Bern
15: Rotterdam
14: Manchester
14: Luzern
14: Utrecht
14: Marseille
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
13: Amsterdam
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag
12: Barcelona
12: Lille
12: Nagoya
12: Yokohama
10: Brisbane
10: Olten (Switzerland)
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Thanks [email protected], but please do include the metro platforms. All the other stations include these.

I know they are not terminus platforms, but that's ok. The point was to add up all the platforms - Long Distance, Regional, Commuter, Local at the main stations, where the principle of the main station is the city terminus - however, most of these stations also have through traffic, and in some cases, some cities only have through stations, although one or some of these may be considered terminus's as that's where the intercity passengers disembark (before the train continues on) an example of this would be the new Hauptbahnhof in Berlin.

Hope this helps, so effectively, please add the metro and RER platforms in Paris as all the other cities should have.

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Old April 28th, 2006, 02:29 PM   #126
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@gruber, brilliant work on Milan, I was trying to find the total number of platforms!

@gruber and [email protected], thanks also for doing the update yourselves! Saves me a lot of work

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Old April 28th, 2006, 02:52 PM   #127
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Paris Railways stations platforms with subway

Gare Du Nord are 46 platformes with subway lines and 48 with the station La Chapelle line connected at Gare Du Nord
RER lines and

Gare St Lazard are 52 platforms with subway stations connected at Gare St Lazard with lines 3 stations - 2 stations- and RER stations Auber. RER station Haussmann St Lazard

Gare De L'Est are 37 platforms with subway lines 2 stations

Gare Montparnasse are 38 platforms with subway line

Gare Austerliz are 29 platforms with subway lines
RER line

Gare De Lyon are 26 platforms with subway lines
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Old April 28th, 2006, 03:02 PM   #128
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Paris Railways stations platforms with subway
Please, don't mix everything, we are talking about "terminus"...
Thank you


EDIT : Sorry, I didn't read Justme's message. It's not my point of view but if everybody count all platforms...

New update:
18: Saint Charles (Marseilles), 14 overground platforms fully terminus, 4 underground platforms (on the same level) for the lines L1 & L2, no terminus.


16: Flandres (Lille), 12 overground platforms fully terminus, 4 underground platforms for the subway lines L1 & L2, no terminus.

In Lille, shall I also count tramway's platforms ?

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Old April 28th, 2006, 03:13 PM   #129
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Brussel-Zuid/Bruxelles-Midi

22 platforms
2 metro platforms
2 premetro platforms
250.000 passengers per day

Brussel-Centraal/Bruxelles-Centrale
6 platforms
2 metro platforms
2 premetro platforms
140.000 passengers per day

Brussel-Noord/Bruxelles-Nord
12 platforms
2 premetro platforms
100.000 passengers per day
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thanks to Everyone who has contributed to this thread.' especially JustMe , [email protected] & Vapour.

To address a number of questions:
  1. I certainly don't claim to "own" this thread because I posted here first. The thread belonngs to the SSC community
  2. The object (on my part) here was never to count the number of buffers or dead-end tracks for any station or city: it was to provide a reliable index of the size of the infrastructure, firstly for any individual city, and then for individual station, to establish the leading players.
  3. Hence, Jamaica Queens, NY & Clapton Junction UK only count tracks and/or platforms that have already been counted (I've been told some trains terminate at Jamaica: same at various suburban stations here in Melbourne Australia).
  4. I see no reason why small terminal stations in various cities (but notably New York) should not be included in the overall tally for the city as a whole, but to make the overall exercise manageable, maybe they should be summed together as "Other Terminals (New York)".
  5. I wonder about the situation in Tokyo. Tokyo station leads to the north through Ueno & south through Shinagawa. To the west, Shinjuku station leads north through Ikebukoro, and south through Shibuya. All six of these stations have been included in the Tokyo total, but if traffic is essentially just running through to Shinjuku and Tokyo, then they're being judged on a very different basis to stations in other large metropolises.
  6. I also wonder about Chiba. I would have thought it was essentially a Tokyo outer suburb. I have a sister-in-law who comes from Chiba, but my Japanese is lousy, and her English could improve, so I won't try to pursue such semantic subtleties except here on SSC.
  7. We still have nothing from Beijing , or anywhere else from China... I know Beijing has a huge station and I'm sure there are many others that outstrip Brisbane. is this site blocked there? Of course not! There are regular contributors from the PRC!
  8. Also ... no contributions from Chicago - or Washington- or Boston- or anywhere else in the US. None from Canada? None from Africa? None from Latin America?

People are adding in Underground/Metro platforms here (see the posting two above!), which raises many cans of worms.

What is Metro (or whatever you choose to call it ... U-Bahn, S-Bahn etc. ). The truth is in Australian cities, suburban or commuter railways do what "MRT" does in many other cities ... in Sydney 8-car double decker trains trundle under the city at 2-minute intervals. In this city (Melbourne) the tram/light rail system (which I've totally excluded here) boasts at least 29 routes and moves almost as many people as "commuter rail". In Amsterdam, the central parts of that are underground.

Thanks again to Justme, for keeping tab of things ... pity Vbasic didn't have a table function.
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further to my last posting ... if "platforms" which regularly function to run several trains in, e.g. from opposite directions, are counted as one, then we shouldn't count platforms which really aren't in regularly in use.

I guess what I particularly have in my sights here is Grand Central NY with it's (current) total of 52 platforms. How many arrivals & departures per day? And are the Metro tracks included in this?

The other area I particularly wonder about at the moment is Tokyo ... see previous posting.

Melbourne ... Ultimately, Railway Capital of the world

(sadly, we had a rail accident this afternoon which killed two people, injured several dozen others, and wiped out one of our new high-speed trains)
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Old April 28th, 2006, 05:01 PM   #132
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@Coth, Could you do a run down of all the terminus' for Moscow, with platform count, as I am not sure everything is accurate here.
i can try again

belarusskiy vokzal (4 phisically through platforms. de facto terminus. same as kurskiy vokzal just few trains per day goes to another lines)
4 through platforms in metro
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/890...russkiy3yz.jpg

kazanskiy, leningradskiy and yaroslavskiy and 2 through platforms on kalanchevkaya
4 through platforms in metro
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5633/kazanskiy2bf.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/717...slavskiy5p.jpg

kievskiy (9 phisically through platforms. de facto terminus. very few trains goes beyond station. it is few commuter trains per day that shares two lines: rizhskoye - kurskoye/nizhegorodskoye directions, belarusskoye - kurskoye/nizhegorodskoye directions)
6 through platforms in metro
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/5092/kievskiy4oq.jpg

kurskiy
6 through platforms in metro
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/6466/kurskiy9wi.jpg


paveletskiy
4 through platforms in metro
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/977...letskiy0pl.jpg

rizhskiy
2 through platforms in metro
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2125/rizhskiy6xs.jpg

savelovskiy
2 through platforms in metro
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7...lovskiy1ci.jpg

metro is not connected to other rail networks.
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are you talkin' just only of railway station for passengers?
or also for commercial railway station?
in Milan there is a terminus station with more than 120 ways!
today is only used for commerce, but from 2008 it will became also a passenger station along the Suburban Lines.

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are you talkin' just only of railway station for passengers?
or also for commercial railway station?
in Milan there is a terminus station with more than 120 ways!
today is only used for commerce, but from 2008 it will became also a passenger station along the Suburban Lines.
Very impressive photo above! You're not talking about the RAILWAY CAPITAL of The WORLD are You? Looks like a freight terminal to me!
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Oslo Central Station has 19 tracks.
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thanks to Everyone who has contributed to this thread.' especially JustMe , [email protected] & Vapour.

To address a number of questions:
  1. Also ... no contributions from Chicago - or Washington- or Boston- or anywhere else in the US. None from Canada? None from Africa? None from Latin America?
There are none from Canada yet because most of Canada's largest stations (ex. Toronto, Montreal, Winnepeg) are all through stations, not terminals. Montreal does, I believe, have a smaller terminal-style station, and so does Vancouver. I think this may also be the case for Chicago, but I'm not sure, so don't quote me on this.
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Oslo Central Station has 19 tracks.
You're not boring, mate , (as you suggested) ... this is what we want to chalk up.
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There are none from Canada yet because most of Canada's largest stations (ex. Toronto, Montreal, Winnepeg) are all through stations, not terminals. Montreal does, I believe, have a smaller terminal-style station, and so does Vancouver. I think this may also be the case for Chicago, but I'm not sure, so don't quote me on this.

OK, look what we've said about Penn Central. The basic question is: how many platforms does Toronto, Montreal, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Ottawa, Quebec, Chigago, Seatttle, etc. use each day or at least each week to dispatch & recieve trains?
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Old April 29th, 2006, 04:07 PM   #139
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Most of China's stations are also through stations. To be honest, (coming from the U.S., mind you), when I was in China I was just like "woah, they still use trains here!". Some of these European stations, however, just blow me away. I can't think of anything at the moment that would give these stations a real run for their money, but I'll see if I can dig up some pictures. Specs aren't going to be from me, though, because I don't know them.
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Old April 29th, 2006, 04:15 PM   #140
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Actually, since I don't have too many shots of railway stations, I'm just going to direct you to a thread that does. Check it out here:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=340615

I believe the largest in China is currently Beijing West, (the big tall ugly one), but the thread seemed to indicate that Shanghai South will take over that rank once completed.
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