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Old April 29th, 2006, 07:29 PM   #141
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The Data for Hamburg Hauptbahnhof is wrong.

It has 14 tracks: platform 1-4 for the S-Bahn, track 9-10 for freight rail and with no platform, platform 5-8 and 10-14 for commuter and long distance rail.
Additionally 8 U-Bahn platforms, of which two are without tracks and not operational.
So counting only operational platforms accessible to the public you get 18. Counting all you get 22.

One more thing: How do you define "busiest terminus"? By the number of trains stopping there or by the number of passengers daily/annualy? Counting the first Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof is probably the biggest in Germany, counting the latter Hamburg Hauptbahnhof is the biggest in Germany (up to 450.000 passengers per day).
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Old April 29th, 2006, 07:52 PM   #142
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How many passengers does Frankfurt have daily?
I think its 350.000 isnt it?

And are these only passengers who use the train or do they also count the people who use the commuter trains and the underground?
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Old April 29th, 2006, 08:14 PM   #143
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Quote:
Originally Posted by momochan

The Netherlands, the big four

15: Rotterdam Centraal 13 platforms + 2 metro platforms
14: Utrecht Centraal 14 platforms
13: Amsterdam Centraal: 11 platforms + 2 metro platforms
12: Den Haag Centraal: 12 platforms
I havent read all of the thread, so i don't know if its corrected already. But Utrecht centraal is bigger, i dont know the exact numbers, but its 18 or something.

Also, alot of platforms are divided in A and B (or more, i dont know), do they count as one or more?
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Old April 29th, 2006, 08:16 PM   #144
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I just found the exact number for Utrecht, its 19
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Old April 29th, 2006, 08:17 PM   #145
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Oops, only 14 of them are actuallyplatforms, sorry Momo. Im gonna stop now......
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Old April 29th, 2006, 10:02 PM   #146
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Berlin's biggest passenger rail terminals:

Berlin Lehrter Hauptbahnhof (May 2006):
300.000 passengers/day expected

East-West:
1-4 commuter + long distance rail
5-6 S-Bahn

North-South (underground):
6-14 commuter + long distance rail

+2 tracks for U-Bahn (U55)

Berlin Südkreuz/Papestraße (May 2006):

East-West:
1-2 S-Bahn

North-South:
3-4 S-Bahn
5-8 commuter + long distance rail

Berlin Nordkreuz/Gesundbrunnen (May 2006):

1-4 S-Bahn
4-10 commuter + long distance rail (not sure about that though)

+2 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Ostbahnhof (East-Station):
120.000 passengers/day

1-3, 6, 7 commuter + long distance rail
8-11 S-Bahn

Berlin Zoologischer Garten:
160.000 passengers/day

1-4 commuter + long distance rail
5-6 S-Bahn

+4 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Spandau:

1-4 commuter + long distance rail
5-6 S-Bahn

+2 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Lichtenberg:
85.000 passengers/day

1-2 S-Bahn
15-22 commuter + long distance rail

+2 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Wannsee:

1-2 S-Bahn
3-4 commuter + long distance rail


commuter rail / S-Bahn only stations:

Berlin Charlottenburg:

1-4 commuter rail
5-6 S-Bahn

+2 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Friedrichstraße:
120.000 passengers/day

1-4 commuter rail
5-6 S-Bahn

+2 tracks for S-Bahn underground
+2 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Alexanderplatz:
120.000 passengers/day

1-2 commuter rail
3-4 S-Bahn

+6 tracks for U-Bahn

Berlin Potsdamer Platz (May 2006):

2 tracks for commuter rail
2 tracks for S-Bahn underground
+2 tracks for U-Bahn


There are even some other commuter rail/S-Bahn only stations (for example Hohenschönhausen). I did not list them in here, because they are not really important.




And for Frankfurt/Munich:
Frankfurt Südbahnhof:

1-4 S-Bahn
5-9 commuter + long distance rail

+2 tracks for U-Bahn

München/Munich Ostbahnhof:

1-4 S-Bahn
5-8, 11-14 commuter + long distance rail

+2 (4?) tracks for U-Bahn

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Old April 30th, 2006, 05:45 AM   #147
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The real terminal station in Tokyo is only Tokyo Station, I think. 6 shinkansen lines and 4 commuter lines terminate. Only 3 commuter lines terminate at Shinjuku and Shibuya, 2 at Ikebukuro, 2 at Ueno, 1 at Shimbashi, 0 at Shinagawa, Kita-Senju and Iidabashi.
Yokmohama, Chiba, Omiya, Odawara and Omiya are outer suburbs.
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Old April 30th, 2006, 05:55 AM   #148
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Quote:
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How many passengers does Frankfurt have daily?
I think its 350.000 isnt it?

And are these only passengers who use the train or do they also count the people who use the commuter trains and the underground?
That's what I want to know too. According to the DB-Website the numbers for Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof (350.000) seem to be for all trains and S-Bahnen stopping in the station.
I haven't found more specific data for Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, but I can imagine that it is incl. U-Bahn.

EDIT: I have found the data for Germany's 20 biggest railstations.
I german only though
The amount of platforms must be including U-Bahn, S-Bahn and non-public platforms, and platforms are counted once, even if they have tracks on both sides (platform in german: "Bahnsteig", but also "Gleis" (track, rail), additionally both ends of a "Bahnsteig" can get different numbers which leads to the fact that one platform can have up to 4 "Gleise").
Otherwise I can't explain the low number of platforms for stations like Berlin-Ostbahnhof, Bremen and Hannover and the high number for Dresden. Also the number for Hamburg Hauptbahnhof would be a bit too low.

So according to above source you would come to this list (sorted by amount of platforms, then passengers/day), excluding u/c Berlin Hauptbahnhof:

Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof: 27 platforms, 350.000 passengers and visitors
Karlsruhe Hauptbahnhof: 27 platforms, 55.000
Leipzig Hauptbahnhof: 26 platforms, 150.000
München Hauptbahnhof (Munich): 18 platforms, 350.000
Dresden Hauptbahnhof: 16 platforms, 50.000
Hamburg Hauptbahnhof: 11 platforms, 450.000
Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof (Nuremberg): 11 platforms, 130.000
Köln Hauptbahnhof (Cologne): 10 platforms, 250.000
Düsseldorf Hauptbahnhof: 8 platforms, 250.000
Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof: 8 platforms, 220.000
Dortmund Hauptbahnhof: 8 platforms, 125.000
Hannover Hauptbahnhof: 6 platforms, 250.000
Essen Hauptbahnhof: 6 platforms, 174.000
Duisburg Hauptbahnhof: 6 platforms, 82.000
Bremen Hauptbahnhof: 5 platforms, 100.000
Hamburg-Altona: 5 platforms, 98.000
Mannheim Hauptbahnhof: 5 platforms, 76.000
Mainz Hauptbahnhof: 5 platforms, 55.000
Berlin- Zoologischer Garten: 3 platforms, 200.000
Berlin-Ostbahnhof: 3 platforms, 120.000

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Old April 30th, 2006, 08:26 AM   #149
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Karlsruhe Hauptbahnhof: 27 platforms, 55.000
This one can't be true, Karlsruhe has "only" 18 platforms, counting them on the map of the station (also from the same DB source). In the facts and figures they must have made a mistake with the number of platforms and the shops/restaurants in the station
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Old April 30th, 2006, 05:06 PM   #150
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New York - Grand Central Station - 500,000 Passengers Per Day - 44 Platforms/67 Tracks


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Old April 30th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #151
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@momochan:
Yeah, I see it. I also wondered why such a small city would have such a huge central station.
I have the impression that they counted the platforms differently on each station, or they were too dumb to count.

Now counting them as seen on the maps (platform = Gleis):

Munich: 32, excl. S-Bahn and U-Bahn (but where are platforms 1-4? I assume S-Bahn?)
Frankfurt: 24, excl. S-Bahn and U-Bahn
Nuremberg: 21 excl. U-Bahn (where are 10 and 11?)
Leipzig: 24
Karlsruhe: 18 (1-14 + 101-104)
Stuttgart: 17, excl. S-Bahn and U-Bahn
Bremen: 17 (but 8 of them don't have a number?)
Hamburg HBF: 14, incl S-Bahn, excl. U-Bahn
Hannover: 14, excl. U-Bahn
Berlin-Ostbahnhof: 9, incl. S-Bahn (1-3 and 6-11, where are platform no. 4 and 5?)
Mannheim: 9 (1-5 and 7-10, where is platform no.6?)
Mainz: 8 (1-6, 8 and 11, where are 7, 9 and 10?
Berlin-Zoo: 6, incl. S-Bahn, excl. U-Bahn
Hamburg-Altona: (no map available)
Berlin HBF: (no map available)
Dresden: (no map available)

I give up. It's a mess if even DB can't count their own platforms!
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Old April 30th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #152
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Kngkyle - How come no pictures of the actual platforms at Grand Central
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Old April 30th, 2006, 07:21 PM   #153
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^
Grand Central platforms:






Penn Station platforms:



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Old May 1st, 2006, 01:31 AM   #154
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Ugly station and ugly trains
I don't like Grand Central station

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Old May 1st, 2006, 01:57 AM   #155
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^ this topic isnt about the prettiest passenger rail terminal.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 02:01 AM   #156
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I didn't realise LIRR trains ran into Grand Central, thought they only ran into Penn.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 02:02 AM   #157
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Quote:
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Ugly station and ugly trains
I don't like Grand Central station
Are you on drugs or something?





The platforms look like any subway station platform, granted, but Grand Central is staggeringly beautiful inside otherwise.
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Quote:
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I didn't realise LIRR trains ran into Grand Central, thought they only ran into Penn.
It doesn't, only the first three pictures are of Grand Central platforms, the last three are of Penn Station platforms. (I'll edit the post to more clearly reflect that fact)
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Old May 1st, 2006, 11:40 AM   #159
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Time for an updated list.

From what you guys said above, I've added Marseille, Lille, Berlin, Brussels, Oslo, Karlsruhe, Dresden, Nuremberg, Cologne and Berlin.

There were other German cities/stations that had totals below 10 that I left out. I have gone through everything in the the thread above in detail (hence no changes to Moscow or Tokyo), and I've left out Spandau and Berlin Zoo ... no doubt there'll be some contention about this! Unfortunately my best map of Berlin dates from the 1980's. also there were various opinions about German cities, and in general I've taken the first one ... I'll read on later.

I also grouped the data a bit, and for those who want to accumulate national totals but are geographically challenged, I stuck national names on the remainder of the city list. Enjoy!

Lille's listed twice ... well there are other corrections to be made as well!

How about

instead of filling the thread up with endless replications of the full list though,

post any comments, photos, maps, objections, or updates,

But let's only update the full (consolidated) lists once every day or whatever ... (or else the thread gets pretty boring)! Anyone agree?

It's 9:40 something AM in Amsterdam !

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Largest Stations:

30 platforms or more (10)


52: Grand Central (New York)
42: Nord (Paris)
39: Munich Hauptbahnhof
36: Waterloo (London)
33: Shinjuku (Tokyo)
33: Osaka/Umeda (Osaka)
32: Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof
32: Saint Lazare (Paris)
30: Est (Paris)
30: Tokyo Station (Tokyo)

25-29 Platforms(11 Stations)

29: Penn Station (New York)
29: Leningradskiy / Yaroslavskiy and Kalanchevskaya (Moscow)
29: Porta Romana (Milan)
28: Montparnasse (Paris)
27: Austerlitz (Paris)
27: Karlsruhe Hauptbahnhof
26: Leipzig Hauptbahnhof
26: Ikebukuro (Tokyo)
26: Zürich Hauptbahnhof
25: Sydney Central
25: Ueno (Tokyo)

20-25 Platforms (14 Stations):

24: Stazione Centrale (Milan)
24: Euston (London)
24: Kings Cross/ St Pancras (London)
24: Tennoji (Osaka)
24: Kyoto
23: Howrah (Calcutta)
23: Victoria (London)
22: Liverpool Street (London)
22: Omiya (Saitama)
22: Bruxelles-Midi
22: Lyon (Paris)
21: Shinagawa (Tokyo)
20: Porta Garibaldi (Milan)
20: Paddington (London)

15-19 Platforms (21 Stations)

19: London Bridge (London)
19: Stuttgart Hauptbahnhof
19: Oslo Central
18: Basel SBB & Basel SNCF
18: St Charles (Marseille)
17: Yokohama
17: Shin-Osaka (Osaka)
17: Kazanskiy (Moscow)
17: Leeds City (UK)
16: Charing Cross/Embankment
16: Atlantic Terminal (New York)
16: Glasgow Central
16: Bern Central
16: Sendai
16: Sealdah (Calcutta)
16: Flandres (Lille)
16: Hamburg Hauptbahnhof
16: Dresden Hauptbahnhof
15: Kurskiy (Moscow)
15: Southern Cross Station (Melbourne)
15: Rotterdam Centraal

10-14 Platforms (35 Stations)

14: Utrecht Centraal
14: Piccadilly station (Manchester)
14: Shibuya (Tokyo)
14: Shimbashi (Tokyo)
14: Kita-senju (Tokyo)
14: Chiba
14: Odawara
14: Saint Charles (Marseilles)
14: Luzern (terminal)
14: Berlin Lehrter Hauptbahnhof
13: Greco-Bicocca (Milan)
13: Flinders Street Station (Melbourne)
13: Amsterdam Centraal
12: Kievskiy (Moscow)
12: Den Haag Centraal
12: New Street (Birmingham UK)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Kanayama (Nagoya)
12: Ofuna (Yokohama)
12: Flandres (Lille)
12: Altona (Hamburg)
12: Sants (Barcelona)
12: Bruxelles-Nord
11: Porta Genova (Milan)
11: Paveletskiy (Moscow)
11: Belarusskiy (Moscow)
11: Berlin Ostbahnhof (East-Station)
11: Nürnberg Hauptbahnhof
10: Cadorna F.N.M. (Milan)
10: Berlin Nordkreuz/Gesundbrunnen
10: Olten (Switerland)
10: Iidabashi (Tokyo)
10: Moorgate (London)
10: Roma St (Brisbane)
10: Köln Hauptbahnhof


City Totals for Main Terminii

Grouped in 10's


194: London (UK)
190: Tokyo (Japan)
181: Paris (France)
97: New York (USA)
97: Milan (Italy)
95: Moscow (Russia)
74: Osaka (Japan)
43: Berlin (Germany)
39: Calcutta (Kolkutta) (India)
39: Munich (Germany)

32: Frankfurt (Germany)
28: Hamburg (Germany)
28: Melbourne (Australia)
26: Brussels (Belgium)
27: Karlsruhe (Germany)
26: Leipzig (Germany)
26: Zürich (Switzerland)
25: Sydney (Australia)
19: Stuttgart (Germany)

19: Oslo (Norway)
18: Basel (Switzerland)
18: Marseille (France)
17: Leeds (UK)
16: Glasgow (UK)
16: Bern (Switzerland)
16: Lille (France)
16: Dresden (Germany)
15: Rotterdam (Netherlands)
14: Manchester (UK)

14: Luzern (Switzerland)
14: Utrecht (Netherlands)
14: Marseille (France)
14: Chiba (Japan)
14: Odawara (Japan)
13: Amsterdam (Netherlands)
12: Newcastle (UK)
12: Birmingham (UK)
12: Den Haag (The Hague) (Netherlands)
12: Barcelona (Spain)

12: Lille (France)
12: Nagoya (Japan)
12: Yokohama (Japan)
11: Nürnberg (Nurenberg)
10: Brisbane (Australia)
10: Olten (Switzerland)
10: Köln (Cologne) (Germany)

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Old May 1st, 2006, 12:35 PM   #160
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I'm confused - how did London Waterloo get 36 platforms? Are we including metro lines and connecting lines as well?

London Waterloo (including interchanges)
Commuter: 19
Eurostar: 6
Underground: 8
Waterloo East: 4
Southwark: 2
Total: 39

London King's Cross St Pancras
King's Cross: 11
St Pancras: 5 (expanding to 13 u/c)
Underground: 8
Thameslink: 2
Total: 26 (34)

London Euston
Commuter: 18
Underground: 6
Total: 24

London Victoria
Commuter: 19
Underground: 4
Total: 23

London Liverpool Street
Commuter: 18
Underground: 4
Total: 22

London Paddington
Commuter: 14
Underground: 6
Total: 20

London Bridge
Commuter: 15
Underground: 4
Total: 19

London Charing Cross
Commuter: 6
Underground: 10
Total: 16

London Moorgate
Total: 10
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