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Old May 1st, 2006, 05:35 PM   #161
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whats all the talk about platforms?

There are big stations with many platforms which dont get many travelers, as for example Leipzig.
Modern stations like Lehrter bahnhof in Berlin are designed to use a minimal number of platforms efficiently.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 06:06 PM   #162
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whats all the talk about platforms?

There are big stations with many platforms which dont get many travelers, as for example Leipzig.
Modern stations like Lehrter bahnhof in Berlin are designed to use a minimal number of platforms efficiently.
In my humble part of the world, at any given station there are tracks where you can get on and off a train (here, always above track level) . These are platforms.

There are also tracks which are just used for switching locos, passing trains through etc. ... you can't legitimately or safely get on at these tracks.

I accept the point that some platforms (or stations) might be much busier than others, both in terms of traffic and in terms of passengers, and I did address these issues at the start of the thread. However, there's been so much difficulty here defining what is in or out as a platform, that I suggest a traffic or passenger throughput heirarchy should constitute another (but related!) thread.

If you really want to pursue the issue, where is the busiest platform? My guess is Mumbai (or Tokyo!)
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Old May 1st, 2006, 06:07 PM   #163
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24: Stazione Centrale (Milan)
The number is refferring just to the station: there are even 4 platforms of metro to add

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20: Porta Garibaldi (Milan)
Plus 4 platforms of metro (2 not used) and 2 platforms of underground S-lines (suburban railway)
In next years other 4 platforms are forecasted to be built of two new metro lines

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11: Porta Genova (Milan)
To add 2 platforms of metro

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10: Cadorna F.N.M. (Milan)
To add 4 platforms of metro

(obviously in the computation of platforms I added just metro and undergound suburban railways service - in Passante ferroviario tunnel; trams are not in the computation)

But there are other stations to add to Milan's list

- Milano Lambrate:
12 platforms + 2 platforms of metro


- Milano Rogoredo:
8 platforms + 2 platforms of metro


Then there are others with 8-7-6 platforms (as Bovisa FNM or Certosa Fs), but I'll keep 'em out 'cause was said not to compute stations with less of 10 platforms
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Old May 1st, 2006, 06:28 PM   #164
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The number is refferring just to the station: there are even 4 platforms of metro to add


Plus 4 platforms of metro (2 not used) and 2 platforms of underground S-lines (suburban railway)
In next years other 4 platforms are forecasted to be built of two new metro lines


To add 2 platforms of metro


To add 4 platforms of metro

(obviously in the computation of platforms I added just metro and undergound suburban railways service - in Passante ferroviario tunnel; trams are not in the computation)

But there are other stations to add to Milan's list

- Milano Lambrate:
12 platforms + 2 platforms of metro


- Milano Rogoredo:
8 platforms + 2 platforms of metro


Then there are others with 8-7-6 platforms (as Bovisa FNM or Certosa Fs), but I'll keep 'em out 'cause was said not to compute stations with less of 10 platforms
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Old May 1st, 2006, 06:39 PM   #165
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"Lost" platforms

Once there was in Milan even Porta Vittoria Station, dismissed decades ago

It had up to 20 platforms

here a pic of the station dismissed yet



Now they've torn the station down to build a gigantic Library



But underground in the same place there are 4 new platforms wich work
They 're the 4 platforms of the underground station of S-lines (suburban service)

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Old May 1st, 2006, 07:09 PM   #166
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the surface finishings look very good.

However, what we'd like - across Italy- are the no. of platforms given over to "suburban", commuter, regional and long distance rail, irregardless of whether the tracks terminate in any given city or not, provided we don't count them twice..
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Old May 1st, 2006, 07:31 PM   #167
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Ok, can we clear up which of these are actually terminus'

32: Nagoya
21: Namba (Osaka)
16: Hakata (Fukuoka)
14: Sapporo
13: Kawasaki
12: Yurakucho/Hibiya (Tokyo)
12: Nagano
10: Akihabara (Tokyo)
10: Otemachi (Tokyo)
10: Nagatacho/Akasakamitsuke (Tokyo)
10: Utsunomiya

and

17: Okayama
16: Oyama
15: Takasaki
15: Fukushima
14: Nigata
14: Morioka
13: Toyohashi
13: Koriyama
13: Shinyamaguchi (Yamaguchi)
12: Nishifunabashi (Funabashi)
12: Hiroshima (trams not included)
10: Akita

Then I'll add them to the list. Looks as though Tokyo will top the table with the most platforms of major terminus'
As Frungy and others have pointed out, there're no "terminus stations" as such in Japan. Tokyo station is where shinkansen lines end, but commuter lines and the subway just go through. Shibuya is the terminus for Keio Inokashira, Ginza line and Tokyu Toyoko, but JR and Hanzomon/Denentoshi go through; Ikebukuro, Yokohama and Umeda are terminus for one or two private rail operators, but again have other lines going through.
Therefore I'd include Japanese stations just as "big ones", taking into account that few of them (if any) is really a 100% "terminus" one.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 07:52 PM   #168
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The city totals for main termini should be updated for Glasgow - Glasgow Central = 16, Queen Street = 10, total 26.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 08:27 PM   #169
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Just a coupple of Milan's rail network







This map shows the rail ring, but without the railtracks of FNM (Ferrovie Nord Milano), a company wich has its own network linking the city with all Lombardy: its terminal main station in the city is Cadorna... even if things are a bit different after the rail cross-by tunnel opened)



Here a map with railring, metros and the underground rail link (the one in blue) used for suburban connections, aka Passante

[img]http://www.metroetram.***************/metropolitane/milano/passante/foto/mappa_100.jpg[/img]


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I just remembered that Stazione Centrale (which trains level is elevated respect the ground level) has not only the 24 platforms for passangers; there other 24 platforms at "ground level" used (at least once used: I don't know actually if they 're in use anymore) for goods trains
In the road tunnels which cross the station (wich railways run on an elevated structure of 2.5 km of lenght and 600 m width!) you can even see the rail tracks to cross the street under the tunnel; they come out by other tunnels (quite always closed with gates) which run under the station structure and its "open-air" rails
It 's quite an interesting aspect of this incredible station I do not know very well and want to deepen
And if I 'll find something interesting I' ll post you, if you 're interested in, don't worry

Anyway, if these rails are still workin' or not, surely when Stazione Centrale opened (in 1939) it had 24 platforms for passengers only and 24 platforms for goods trains all workin': that means 48 platforms!





Nice old postcard (maybe of '30s) of the vaults of Centrale
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Old May 1st, 2006, 08:45 PM   #170
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I concur. *Shakes head*
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Old May 1st, 2006, 08:51 PM   #171
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It's nice that you agree. Please in future type in a normal sized font in black and try to speak in proper English. Cheers.
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Old May 1st, 2006, 09:01 PM   #172
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Come on, there are some basic rules around here, speak normal, write normal and don't be stupid!



Mod's please delete the posts from Naddy G an d my reply, because this is bad for the forum.
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I understand but there's no need to write things like "on a ril" and "2006" at the end of your posts. Please try and write in a normal font as it's easier for people to read it and it messes up the look of the forum. Hopefully the London Olympics will regenerate Straford and improve education etc. Can a mod please delete his posts?
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can't you speak normally with normal size black font and without insults?
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Old May 1st, 2006, 10:11 PM   #177
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That's the second time today I've seen somebody spell termini with a double I - why is it such a commonly-made mistake?
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Re Milano ... we- the People's Council- have decided that any goods-handling tracks or facilities are not relevant here, and should be referred to an alternate thread. Possible exceptions might be made for mail and parcels exclusively loaded onto what are essentially passenger trains.

Pity about those lost facilities.
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That's the second time today I've seen somebody spell termini with a double I - why is it such a commonly-made mistake?
I dunno, CharlieP ... that was the way I was taught to spell it, and, in the absence of a Dictionary, I tried Google and just got 25,600 hits on "terminii". I always thought it was like "radii" and other plurals derived from Latin.

There may be some national differences ... colour, color, grey, gray, etc.

(now you're going to say that you got more hits on "termini" but look what the hits actually relate to!)

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soz for ma discrepencies stated above. i didnt mean any disrespect for the mandems jus intrested in the skrapes
Naddy G, many of the people in this forum come from places like Tokyo and Moscow, and even Bukhara, Chengdu,and Bogota, where English is not the native language, but they survive admirably here.

There are are other forums here for people who can't speak English.

I have seen Ali G., but never on this site, and I doubt I ever will. I've never heard his opinion on architecture. Or anything, really. I guess he's just a comedian.
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