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Old May 19th, 2006, 04:30 PM   #461
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Good news indeed. I can't wait to see what these buildings will look like and how they relate to all the new buildings as well as the rest of southern Manhatten.
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Old May 19th, 2006, 04:38 PM   #462
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I don't think the WTC will really relate to Lower Manhattan as much as it will the WFC.
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Old May 19th, 2006, 04:44 PM   #463
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Old May 19th, 2006, 09:31 PM   #464
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courtesy of STR from SSP, showing WTC towers 2,3,4 if they had spires, and also the u/c Goldman Sachs HQ (fat light blue building to the left)

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Old May 19th, 2006, 09:52 PM   #465
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Wow... this is looking awesome!
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Old May 19th, 2006, 09:58 PM   #466
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A little too generic

Although I think the latest designs are quite good, and I do like them. I do think that they are a little generic. Since, I think, the building will also be like a memorial itself, I was hoping for something more unique. I don't know whether this is true, but I think money is playing too much of a role in the design process.
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Old May 19th, 2006, 11:02 PM   #467
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Old May 20th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #468
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Although I think the latest designs are quite good, and I do like them. I do think that they are a little generic. Since, I think, the building will also be like a memorial itself, I was hoping for something more unique. I don't know whether this is true, but I think money is playing too much of a role in the design process.

those arent the official designs ya goof. its just a mockup, an idea of what we can expect.
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Old May 20th, 2006, 01:54 AM   #469
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/19/ny...19rebuild.html
Silverstein Says Insurers Might Not Pay $4.6 Billion

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: May 19, 2006

Less than a month after a new financial plan was put in place at ground zero, the developer Larry A. Silverstein raised the specter yesterday that insurers might renege on their obligation to provide a total of $4.6 billion to build the Freedom Tower and three other office buildings there.

Mr. Silverstein said that lawyers for some of the two-dozen insurers of the World Trade Center complex had indicated that the companies might use the new plan put together by government officials as an excuse to evade their responsibility.

Under that plan, Mr. Silverstein, who had leased the trade center six weeks before it was destroyed, will no longer build all five towers there. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the property, will take control of the Freedom Tower and a second site, leaving Mr. Silverstein with three towers on the east side along Church Street.

The developer said that on Monday he and the Port Authority, which owns the 16-acre property, had written to the chief executives of 16 insurance companies demanding that they provide assurances that the new deal would not "reduce, bar or limit the insurance recovery."

"We cannot allow the insurance companies to hold up the revitalization of Lower Manhattan," he said.

The authority's executive director, Kenneth J. Ringler Jr., expressed some concern yesterday, but did not appear to be as alarmed.

Jacques E. Dubois, chairman of Swiss Re, the largest insurer at ground zero, said that his company's stance had not changed, although his company needed to analyze the final agreement between Mr. Silverstein and the Port Authority before determining whether the deal would have any effect on insurance payouts. Some insurers are also appealing related court decisions.

Mr. Silverstein's comments came during his testimony at a State Assembly hearing to determine the extent of the rebuilding progress.

It was held at 7 World Trade Center, the 52-story skyscraper that he recently completed that offers a view of the state of the recovery, including the rapidly advancing work on the $2.2 billion PATH station, the excavation for a new Goldman Sachs headquarters, and the scarred and gloomy husks of Fitterman Hall and the former Deutsche Bank building.

Mr. Silverstein called on Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Assemblyman Richard L. Brodsky, who had called the meeting, for help in dealing with the insurance companies.

Mr. Ringler said the Port Authority had a strong legal position because it was a "co-insured" party at the trade center and had won an earlier court challenge by the insurers. So far, they have paid about $2.2 billion of the total. About $1.6 billion has been spent to pay mortgages, $120 million a year in rent, architects' fees and more than $100 million in legal expenses.

Mr. Silver opened the hearing yesterday saying that the sense of urgency at ground zero seemed to have evaporated. He said he wanted to ensure that the "delays of the past do not continue to plague us." He has been critical of Gov. George E. Pataki, and to a lesser extent Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, about the lack of progress.

"New Yorkers, particularly the residents of Lower Manhattan, should be back here a year from now, asking us what is happening and why there has been no progress," he said.

Mr. Brodsky said that the purpose of the hearings was to "lift the veil of secrecy" around the rebuilding of the office towers, the plans for a 9/11 memorial and demolition of Fitterman Hall and the Deutsche Bank building.

Although rebuilding has been plagued by a seemingly endless series of political squabbles, delays and missteps over the past four years, city and state officials testified that they were close to fixing many of the problems.

Deputy Mayor Daniel L. Doctoroff, the first to testify, unleashed a waterfall of dollar figures and statistics illustrating both recent public investments in Lower Manhattan and the improving economic conditions. He cited more than $10 billion in current construction, from transit links to the rebuilding of West Street, new schools, a $27 million investment in Chinatown and thousands of new apartments. Mr. Silver and Mr. Brodsky pointedly questioned the deal by which a shopping center operator, Westfield America, has the right to make the first offer on a new lease for retail space even after its interests were bought out by the Port Authority for $140 million in 2003. Westfield ran the trade center mall.

And Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal criticized the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation's handling of the Deutsche Bank building.

The recurring theme from the assembly members was their frustration over the lack of public accountability and the absence of visible progress, in spite of one ceremony after another.

"I wouldn't do any more groundbreaking right now," Mr. Brodsky said.

David W. Dunlap contributed reporting for this article.
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Old May 20th, 2006, 04:25 AM   #470
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DAMMIT!!! Why cant they just build this ******* complex already!! Now it looks like there may not be 5 buildings after all... well after hearing this, its safe to say that there could be a chance that they might not be as tall as was previously (recently) thought...

Im sorry, but the fact that there are so many problems with rebuilding, almost adds icing to the terrorists cake...
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Old May 20th, 2006, 06:52 AM   #471
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Have all the underground pipes and basements from the old WTC been removed.
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Old May 20th, 2006, 07:09 AM   #474
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Stunning images STR !!
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Old May 20th, 2006, 07:09 AM   #475
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those arent the official designs ya goof. its just a mockup, an idea of what we can expect.
Yes. They are massing models that depict the height and maximum bulk of the towers. The roofs are at the minimum possible height, while the spires depict the maximum height.
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Old May 20th, 2006, 08:21 AM   #476
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STR- you are a brilliant man
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Old May 20th, 2006, 08:26 AM   #477
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notice at certain angles that FT appears thinner at the top, and then not. I like that effect.

another thing, even at the minimum height these things still have a major presence. all the heights ive read so far, out of every article or site, says 1,000ft. at the least for every tower.
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Old May 20th, 2006, 03:26 PM   #478
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@STR,

With which software did you made those renders?

They looks stunning!
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Old May 20th, 2006, 04:05 PM   #479
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Yeah, which program?

By the way, what the hell is this? Looks like a crane. Are they taking down that thing yet?
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Old May 22nd, 2006, 10:39 AM   #480
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I think it's a crane too. they are destructing the old basement of WTC4.
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