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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:55 AM   #61
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i think he knows that. he was talkin to someone from the states. did YOU know that?
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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:08 AM   #62
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Build another supertall instead of those other stupid crystal towers!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:17 AM   #63
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The thing about the old WTC, if they were still around, theyd get balked at with all the new supertalls going up today. Because theyre gone, is the reason why most loved them so much. Im glad we have a tower like FT going up, because its taken too ****** long, and starting today were finally getting that supertall back in NYC. Downtowns too empty now, im just glad we got a supertall finally going up, no matter what it looks like. Besides, this design isnt really all that bad, and Silverstein said that the spire is going to be redesigned anyway.

Downtown skyline views are going to look great, because those of you who like to bitch about the base wont be able to see it, itll be blocked by all angles.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:19 AM   #64
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World Trade Center rebuild clears last hurdle

y Joan Gralla

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The rebuilding of New York's World Trade Center was set to begin on Thursday, just one day after officials approved plans to erect the Freedom Tower and other buildings where the Twin Towers stood until September 11.

Developer Larry Silverstein said construction crews will arrive at 8:30 a.m. to start work on the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, the tallest of the buildings, which will stand at a height symbolic of America's independence.

The landowner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, approved the deal that Silverstein had agreed to on Tuesday, ending four years of often acrimonious debate over what to do with the site destroyed by the 2001 attacks.

Three other new office buildings and a residential tower will eventually surround a memorial, museum and cultural center dedicated to what relatives of the September 11 victims consider a sacred site. Construction would finish by 2011 or 2012.

"Let's keep in mind that the world, the region, everyone was looking for how we rebuild the Freedom Tower and for what it represents in the rebuilding process," said Charles Gargano, vice chairman of the Port Authority board.

The board unanimously approved a "conceptual framework" that will leave some details for later. But officials said the hard part was over.

Port Authority Chairman Anthony Coscia said he noticed a change in attitude from Silverstein "toward getting it done" after the famously hard bargainer was given what the Port Authority called a final offer last week.

"I have instructed our construction team to mobilize into the site tomorrow so that we can begin construction of the Freedom Tower immediately," Silverstein said in a statement. "Clearly, there are some issues that need to be resolved, but for today, my focus, like that of all New Yorkers, is on getting the Freedom Tower underway," he said.


The project has been a source of contention since the immediate aftermath of the suicide hijacking attacks that killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

The architectural master plan and memorial have sparked often emotional debate, although the more recent battle had more to do with dividing the billions of dollars at stake.

The agreement calls for Silverstein to build the Freedom Tower, but hand it over to the authority once it is completed.

It would be one of the tallest buildings in the world, and its height is symbolic of the year the United States declared independence from Britain.

Silverstein will build and keep three other office towers on the site, and the Port Authority will take over a damaged bank building on a neighboring parcel that will be rebuilt for residential use.

The two sides also agreed to a 62/38 split in Silverstein's favor over the two main sources of funding for the project: the $3.4 billion in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds and Silverstein's $4.6 billion in insurance proceeds.

Separate New York state and city agencies will be responsible for releasing $1.7 billion each in the Liberty Bonds, a low-cost form of financing created to rebuild Lower Manhattan.

The Port Authority also agreed to reduce the rent in Silverstein's 99-year lease for the Twin Tower complex, which he signed two months before the attacks.

Silverstein has already built 7 World Trade Center, a tower on the site of a building that collapsed on September 11.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:57 AM   #65
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Hmmmm -- I like its design, I don't like its design, plus I don't dislike its design. Nothing about its design, however, makes me think about either freedom or its significance about why it'll come to be. I would've thought they'd design something along the lines of that pickle-shaped office building in London, or something else exceptionally bold in appearance.

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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:13 AM   #66
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well the thing about the old WTC was that it was so simple, yet so massive and symbolic of NYC.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:30 AM   #67
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I can't wait to see the consstrutcion beginning!!

According to the design of the whole complex we've seen here...it will be much bigger than what WTC used to be, right? Cause I see not only the main(I think that's the Freedom Tower) tower, but 4 or 5 towers more, all big!!!

Another question: without the spire, will the height be the same as th Twin Towers? I think so
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:34 AM   #68
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yeah its the same roof height, the spire is what goes to 1,776ft, which is 541 meters, hm, i wonder how the year 541 was.

there will be more buildings there than before, by like 2 or 3, and will be some of the tallest in the area, with all above 700 ft i think.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:32 AM   #69
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I think that Norman Foster will design the smaller skyscrapers.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:58 AM   #70
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Foster is designing tower 2. Towers 3, 4, and 5 will all have different designers. There were 6 buildings in the old complex, 7 if you include the add on across the street. (7wtc) there were 2 supertalls. (towers 1 and 2) a 23 story hotel and 4 low rises. Over all I think the old complex and this new one are comparable in size. I dont think this is one is really much bigger. This one does have more open area for the footprints and memorial.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:10 PM   #71
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They're about to start construction in an hour!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:29 PM   #72
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Infact, they should be on site in 5 mins. Its about 8.25 in NYC now.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 03:31 PM   #73
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Old April 27th, 2006, 05:46 PM   #74
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There's not THAT much activity, but at least it looks like they are digging a foundation.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:12 PM   #75
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I don't know what the **** these people are thinking because they should have taken Donald Trump's idea. This is the perfect plan:



Twin Towers

With these plans the Yamasaki Twin Towers return, with several enhancements and modifications over the originals. The new Twin Towers would differ from their predecessors in the following ways:

* They would each consist of 111 to 115 floors with a 12-foot floor-to-floor height. (Up to 14-foot floor-to-floor height is being considered with possible changes in building height.)
o The North Tower (Tower 1) would be at least 1,475-feet tall and would feature a 383-foot mast for communication transmissions, which is a 135-foot increase in height. At 1,858 feet, the North Tower would qualify as the World's Tallest Building. Windows on the World would be featured near its uppermost floors.
o The South Tower (Tower 2) would be at least 1,475 feet tall, featuring indoor and outdoor observatory decks. Both Towers would retain about the same dimensions at their base: 215 feet per side (exterior).
* They would be a tube-within-a-tube design. The exterior skin would feature columns two-feet square, spaced 4 feet 8-7/8 inches apart (possibly more), resulting in a much stronger design (5 times minimum), while permitting larger windows admitting more natural sunlight. The core would feature the same columns as the exterior skin, and its walls would be of reinforced concrete.
* Fireproofing will be of improved technologies rather than the spray-on coatings used previously. Elevators would be of fireproof design, and the towers would have advanced fire-fighting systems.
* Either tower would withstand a plane crash better than the proposed Freedom Tower. Each building would have six stairwells rather than four. The stairwells would be wider than the originals and contain sensors to indicate if they are breached in any way.
* Modeled on the Time-Warner Center, the most successful real estate project in New York City, the towers presently are planned to have commercial space on the lower floors, hotel space on the middle floors, and residential and public space on the the upper floors.

Committees would select the final design for the Twin Towers.

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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:20 PM   #76
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Free-dumb tower, indeed.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 06:20 PM   #77
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Allright. now i wanna now how tall and how many floors will have the;
WTC 2?
WTC 3?
WTC 4?
and WTC 5 towers?

The freedom tower is great! good design, and a good use of materials, the glass facade is also great, and it hasn't many differences between the WTC7 too..

But, the difference of materials between the WTC 1,7 and WTC 2,3,4,5 are bad! i don't like the material use of the WTC 2,3,4,5 towers. the have to much difference between the IFT(International Freedom Tower, WTC1) and 7WT.
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I don't exactly know how many floors they will have, but they will all have over 50 floors.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:46 PM   #79
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just look at these beauties you are right the twin towers should have been rebuilt, but i have come to except that it will not happen now, as for the freedom tower its a ******* crap building that will ruin new york skyline, and those other towers look dam awfull. plus the name is god dam awfull to,FREEDOM, if it's FREEDOM why has it got a massive ugly 20 storey base with no windows. and its only got 86 floors. so how can it be FREEDOM?. the twin towers were 110 storey's tall with beautiful church shape doors at the base, the twin towers should be called freedom twin towers.
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from cnn.com:

Freedom Tower work begins
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Thursday, April 27, 2006; Posted: 11:34 a.m. EDT (15:34 GMT)

The World Trade Center site in New York City Wednesday. Work on a new building begins Thursday.

Trucks rolled onto the World Trade Center site Thursday morning as workers gathered to start long-delayed construction at 9/11's Ground Zero.

The intention is to build the tallest building in North America to fill the hole in the New York skyline left by the 2001 terrorist attacks.

"It is going to be a symbol of our freedom and independence," Gov. George Pataki said at a news conference on the ramp into the site, according to The Associated Press.

The move follows an agreement on Wednesday between the owner of the 16-acre site and the real estate developer who leased it six weeks before the towers were destroyed.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the transportation agency that built the 110-story twin towers in the early 1970s and ran them until July 2001, approved the deal with developer Larry Silverstein in a board meeting Wednesday afternoon.

The deal settles financing for the "Freedom Tower," the planned 1,776-foot building to be erected on the northern end of the site.

"We agreed to all of the port's economic terms in its proposal to restructure our 99-year lease," Silverstein said. "This is a fair deal."

Silverstein will cede control of the Freedom Tower to the Port Authority. He will collect a 1 percent developer's fee on the estimated $2 billion project, but the Port Authority will manage the building when it is completed. It is slated to be ready for occupancy in 2010.

Freedom Tower construction will move forward with installment of foundation footings. The building is to rise 1,360 feet, the height of the original twin towers. A spire will raise it to the height symbolic for the year of the American Revolution.

A memorial to the 2,973 September 11 victims and six people killed in a 1993 truck bombing will be located on the southern half of the site. It is expected to be completed in 2009, financed through private donations.

Pataki addressed concerns about the tower becoming a terrorist target while at the site with New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Silverstein, the AP reported. "We are not going to just build low in the face of a war against terror," Pataki said.

Never stopped paying rent
Wednesday's deal marks the third time since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks destroyed 12 million square feet of office space that Silverstein's firm has amended his $120 million-per-year lease. He has never stopped paying rent, though he has collected no revenue on the site since the attacks.

Silverstein will retain control of three buildings planned along the site's eastern edge, Church Street, which will house much of the planned complex's street-level retail space. He will receive a 2 percent developer's fee for those buildings, due to be completed in 2012. One is a 950-foot tower to be designed by renowned British architect Norman Foster.

Silverstein will also cede control to the Port Authority of a plot of land across the street from the site's southern end, where a fifth building would go, according to the plan.

The damaged Deutsche Bank building that currently stands there is being dismantled, possibly to be replaced by a residential tower.

Overall, the five planned buildings would create 10 million square feet -- approximately 6.2 million square feet for the three Church Street buildings, 2.6 million square feet in the Freedom Tower and as much as 1.2 million square feet in the fifth building.

'Finger-pointing must stop'
The Port Authority will significantly reduce Silverstein's rent, though by how much was not disclosed.

Silverstein will allocate to the Port Authority 38 percent of the $3.34 billion in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds he is due to receive from the state and the city and a portion of approximately $3 billion in insurance proceeds he is due to collect.

"We have made real concessions," Silverstein said. "This is about moving the rebuilding forward as quickly as possible. All the finger-pointing must stop, and we must all work together to achieve our vital mission -- to fully revitalize and renew New York's historic downtown region."

Silverstein, who lost four employees in the September 11 attacks, said rebuilding is "an intensely personal endeavor for me."

He has already built, a block north of the site, an office tower that replaced World Trade Center 7, which he developed in the 1980s before taking over the whole site. A quarter of the building, 10 of the 42 habitable floors, are now leased. Next month, Silverstein Properties will be the first tenant to move in.

In recent weeks government officials had questioned whether Silverstein's financial position was strong enough to continue as the site developer, leading to the protracted negotiations.

Gov. George Pataki predicted that the rebuilt trade center will "anchor the financial capital of the world and make our nation proud."

If built as planned, Freedom Tower will be taller than the Sears Tower in Chicago, which stands 1,450 feet.
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