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Old April 27th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #81
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Allright. now i wanna now how tall and how many floors will have the;
WTC 2?
WTC 3?
WTC 4?
and WTC 5 towers?

The freedom tower is great! good design, and a good use of materials, the glass facade is also great, and it hasn't many differences between the WTC7 too..

But, the difference of materials between the WTC 1,7 and WTC 2,3,4,5 are bad! i don't like the material use of the WTC 2,3,4,5 towers. the have to much difference between the IFT(International Freedom Tower, WTC1) and 7WT.
You cant say that yet because no one knows what towers 2-5 will look like, be made of and so forth. The models you have seen are fill ins only to determine the site plans. None of those towers have been designed yet
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:23 PM   #82
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The new Freedom Tower might look nice. But in comparison to the classic twin towers.. What a pitty that they won't be rebuilt!
And 69floors for the new tower isn't what i hoped to be built on this place.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:23 PM   #83
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GOD, This freedom tower just doesn't belong in our city, its hella stupid and will ruin the skyline...
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:26 PM   #84
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i dont see shit going on there.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:46 PM   #85
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i dont see shit going on there.
The web site is not even live, just look at the cars on the street they are not moving, they stay on the same spot every time it refreshes.

Edit-Cam 1 seems to be live...cam 3 isnt
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:49 PM   #86
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You cant say that yet because no one knows what towers 2-5 will look like, be made of and so forth. The models you have seen are fill ins only to determine the site plans. None of those towers have been designed yet
Yes! o that's great news!

Good that you give me a good feeling about that!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:55 PM   #87
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just look at these beauties you are right the twin towers should have been rebuilt, but i have come to except that it will not happen now, as for the freedom tower its a ******* crap building that will ruin new york skyline, and those other towers look dam awfull. plus the name is god dam awfull to,FREEDOM, if it's FREEDOM why has it got a massive ugly 20 storey base with no windows. and its only got 86 floors. so how can it be FREEDOM?. the twin towers were 110 storey's tall with beautiful church shape doors at the base, the twin towers should be called freedom twin towers.
The number of floors are so, because the construction. the FT construction is another one than the TT construction.

The another question to you; why does the FT have 86 floors, with a roof of 415 metres, when the ICC in hong kong have 118 floors, with a roof of 494 metres. That's the same floor height, and that's only because the construction picks about 4 metres a floor.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:58 PM   #88
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And to think they have thousands of submissions from all over and that design was the best they can come up with.

Freedom Fries sounded silly. So does Freedom Tower. Name it after a fallen firefighter or some courageous person.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 08:59 PM   #89
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Im calling this WTC 1, because Freedom Tower is just retarded. Soft names make soft buildings, this is ******* New York.

The Twin Towers were an unofficial name and to me so is Freedom Tower.

Its the World Trade Center.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:04 PM   #90
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WTC 1 IS now the Freedom Tower.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:06 PM   #91
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This one does have more open area for the footprints and memorial.
No it doesn't. The old WTC had roughly 7 acres (half the 14.7 acre site (the oft quote 16 acre figure is wrong)) including the 5 acre Austin Tobin Plaza and surrounding public spaces.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:15 PM   #92
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Come on guys, when the original WTC went up the twins were correctly labelled as some of the ugliest supertalls in existence. Those buildings represented all the worst of mid-century modernism in their characterless boxiness. It is so sad that Jane Jacobs passed away this week, she would have had a lot to say about the work of the architect that designed the original WTC, who also designed that modernist ghetto in St. Louis that was dismantled. The only reason anyone likes the old WTC's now is that over the course of 29 years it "grew" on them and became an icon of the city. Unfortunately they were destroyed of course but, the fact that NYC's skyline will be redesigned should be looked on as a consolation prize. The greatest city in the world should not be iconized in the form of two white BOXES for crying out loud!
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:28 PM   #93
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Old April 27th, 2006, 09:47 PM   #94
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These next few years will be great for new york and the U.S. Can someone show me where exactly the freedom tower will rise on the webcam?
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i miss them though..

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Old April 27th, 2006, 10:20 PM   #96
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The freedom tower is a ugly piece of shit, the only reason people like it is becouse its glass and its tall, at least the twin towers had wide open windows at the base, and you say the towers were boxs'y then what is the freedom tower thats straght and a box to, and so plain with a base of 20 floors with no windows and thats beautiful, come on. oh and its only 86 floors, and what were the twins 110 floors and they call it FREEDOM don't think so. and plus the towers went perfectly with the skyline, the freedom tower looks so out of place,and not to mention the other towers
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Old April 27th, 2006, 10:34 PM   #97
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The Freedom Tower is for me a building with a pure and elegant line. These were also the patterns of the Twin Towers. I would not have agreed a reconstruction of the twins, anyway (we should not watch towards the past). FT is some kind of a "renaissance" of them.
It's good news construction is starting.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 10:36 PM   #98
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For me, the most fascinating on the twin towers was that You look up the whole 415metres from the ground, there is no setback. And it`s a message to the others who try to build a new "world's tallest": "We (=Twin towers) always can add some floors to be the tallest again." Thats why I like the "box"-design so much. The new freedom tower is "finished".
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/27/ny...r=1&oref=login
A Plan to Rebuild by 2012, and Doubts on the Big Rush

By CHARLES V. BAGLI
Published: April 27, 2006

The new plan for ground zero calls for the accelerated construction of a sprawling commercial complex: 8.8 million square feet of office space in four towers 58 to 70 stories high. All would open within a year of each other, by 2012.

Gov. George E. Pataki and others say the conceptual plan, officially approved yesterday by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey after months of gridlock, will rejuvenate Lower Manhattan and ensure that it remains the financial capital of the world.

But some construction and real estate industry executives, and some urban planners, hear echoes of the hoopla surrounding the original World Trade Center project more than 30 years ago. They are questioning whether the rapid building of so much speculative office space would have the same destabilizing consequences for the downtown market as the twin towers had in the 1970's.

Some experts are even wondering whether there will be enough steel, concrete and curtain wall to build the four towers by 2012 at the same time that two baseball stadiums, the $2 billion Goldman Sachs headquarters, the $1.7 billion expansion of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center, Moynihan Station, 10,000 apartments and various subway projects are under construction.

Yesterday, the influential Regional Plan Association and the Fiscal Policy Institute welcomed the plan, but they, like many developers, continued to question the wisdom of building the tallest of the skyscrapers, the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, intended to be a symbol of the city's resilience.

They said the tower would stand too far from public transportation and was unlikely to attract corporate tenants, who view it as a potential terrorist target. Some government officials suggested that the site be brought up to street level and then put into mothballs next year.

"The Freedom Tower is a disastrous idea that should be scratched," said Susan S. Fainstein, a professor of urban planning at Columbia University.

Kathryn S. Wylde, president of the Partnership for New York City, was far more upbeat. "This agreement will provide a significant boost to the economy of Lower Manhattan by eliminating much of the uncertainty regarding the area's economic future," she said, adding that businesses would be lured by the neighborhood's comparatively low business costs.

But one thing is certain: the cost of the buildings, now estimated at $6.3 billion, is going to jump. Jones Lang LaSalle, the real estate company advising the Port Authority, has built inflation into the numbers. Construction costs are continuing to escalate, at the rate of 1 percent a month.

"I don't know how long it'll continue," said Frank J. Sciame, the former chairman of the New York Building Congress, "but that's the case for the next year or two."

The World Trade Center, a 10 million-square-foot office complex built by the Port Authority, opened in late 1970 during one of the worst real estate markets since the Depression. To provide anchor tenants for the 110-story towers, state agencies moved into two million square feet of space in one tower, and the Port Authority took 900,000 square feet in the second.

The trade center also offered subsidized rents to lure tenants out of surrounding buildings, angering local landlords.

It was not until the mid-1980's that the state began relocating to other buildings. And a breakthrough came in 1985, when Dean Witter Financial Services leased 24 floors in Tower 2, opening the way for other financial firms. Still, occupancy fluctuated wildly until 1998, when companies fleeing high rents in Midtown pushed the occupancy rate to 98 percent.

In late 2002, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg outlined his vision for downtown and drew on some of the lessons of the trade center. He said that it made no sense to rush ahead to rebuild the 10 million square feet of lost office space.

"If we are honest with ourselves," he said, "we will recognize that the impact on our city was not all positive. The twin towers' voracious appetite for tenants weakened the entire downtown market."

But last fall, Mr. Bloomberg started calling for the ground zero project to accelerate. And the plan approved yesterday moves the completion date for the four office towers to 2012, from 2015.

Government agencies — city, state, federal and the Port Authority — are expected to account for 25 percent of the 8.8 million square feet, only slightly less space than they took up in the twin towers in 1972.

"The need to relocate government offices to the World Trade Center in the 1970's was a sign of the economic failure of that project," said David Dyssegaard Kallick, a senior fellow at the Fiscal Policy Institute. "It would make more sense to ensure that we fully fund the public spaces, like the memorial and the performing arts center. Then, allow for the gradual development of the office space with market demand."

One downtown landlord, who expects to lose his government tenant to the new trade center complex, said, "They're about to make the same mistake they did in the 1970's."

The executive, who was granted anonymity because he did not want to damage his relationship with his largest tenant, a government agency, predicted: "They'll pull all the city, state and federal agencies out of other buildings and put them in there. It'll take a long time for other owners to relet their buildings."

Barry M. Gosin, chief executive of Newmark Knight Frank, a real estate firm, also said the timetable was too short. "They'll be competing with themselves," he said. "They should leave a few sites zoned and ready to go when demand dictates."

But Bill Rudin, a third-generation developer and a major downtown landlord, said that his family was one of the few in real estate who supported the trade center in 1970, and that he supported the new ground zero plan. He said that while a few downtown companies would move to the new towers, most would come from outside the area.

"There is a need for this type of space," he said. "In the last year or so, we've seen Midtown tighten and companies being priced out. Where are they going to but downtown?"

Mayor Bloomberg said yesterday that he was still concerned about building all four towers simultaneously, which "may very well lead to too much office space coming on the market at one time." But, he added, the empty holes at the trade center site have become a "great disincentive to rent downtown."

"On balance," the mayor said, "I'd just as soon get everything going."

Still, it may be physically impossible to build all four towers by 2012, as well as the memorial, the museum, the $2 billion PATH terminal and other nearby projects. Even before the accelerated schedule, Charles J. Maikish, executive director of the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, estimated that there would be 10,000 to 15,000 construction workers a day on ground zero projects over the next three to five years.

The trade center site will be competing for materials and labor with a dozen other major projects, including the extension of the No. 7 subway line on the West Side and the construction of the Second Avenue Subway on the East Side.
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Old April 27th, 2006, 11:13 PM   #100
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Cumon, What the heck is that?! The fact that the F.Tower is going to have the same roof hight as the twin towers is really dumb. At least make it taller!! One "super" tall, wow that sucks especially when there were two super tall building before. This shows pure weakness to the Terrorist. The building is a fake. It reaches its height with a spire. Hopefully Trumps idea prevails although I doupt it.
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