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Old November 2nd, 2005, 05:54 AM   #521
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But in the minds of foreigners, the association is there, just as foreigners will look at British Airways as the representative symbol of the UK. The associations are so strong at times that they may seem official as well. For example, BA may be the British's official airline because the only way to get to the UK from the far corners of the world is through BA.
I agree with your general argument on Cathay Pacific. It is Hong Kong's de-facto flag carrier and the official tourist promotion is a persuasive argument. On BA the official link is provided by the fact that BA used to be nationalised. However I disagree that it's the only British airline that takes you to the far corners of the world. Virgin Atlantic operates lots of routes to North America and the Caribbean, to Africa and the Middle East, to Australia, to the Far East, and now Australia as well:

North America:
- New York
- Las Vegas
- Los Angeles
- San Francisco
- Boston
- Miami
- Orlando
- Washington DC

Caribbean:
- Antigua
- Barbados
- Grenada
- Havana
- Nassau
- Port Harcourt
- St Lucia
- Tobago

Africa:
- Cape Town
- Johannesburg
- Lagos

Middle East:
- Dubai

South Asia
- Delhi
- Mumbai

E/SE Asia:
- Hong Kong
- Singapore (Codeshared with Singapore Airlines)
- Shanghai
- Tokyo

Australasia:
- Melbourne (via Sydney with Virgin Blue)
- Sydney



And finally there's also BMI which operates mainly around Europe but does long haul to North America, India, and Saudi Arabia.
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Old November 2nd, 2005, 06:03 AM   #522
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I agree with your general argument on Cathay Pacific. It is Hong Kong's de-facto flag carrier and the official tourist promotion is a persuasive argument. On BA the official link is provided by the fact that BA used to be nationalised. However I disagree that it's the only British airline that takes you to the far corners of the world. Virgin Atlantic operates lots of routes to North America and the Caribbean, to Africa and the Middle East, to Australia, to the Far East, and now Australia as well:

North America:
- New York
- Las Vegas
- Los Angeles
- San Francisco
- Boston
- Miami
- Orlando
- Washington DC

Caribbean:
- Antigua
- Barbados
- Grenada
- Havana
- Nassau
- Port Harcourt
- St Lucia
- Tobago

Africa:
- Cape Town
- Johannesburg
- Lagos

Middle East:
- Dubai

South Asia
- Delhi
- Mumbai

E/SE Asia:
- Hong Kong
- Singapore (Codeshared with Singapore Airlines)
- Shanghai
- Tokyo

Australasia:
- Melbourne (via Sydney with Virgin Blue)
- Sydney



And finally there's also BMI which operates mainly around Europe but does long haul to North America, India, and Saudi Arabia.

Add to the list they also codeshare to Kuala Lumpur on Malaysia Airlines, I think.

Cathay is a "de facto" flag carrier. That would be a correct usage of the term since it is exactly that, de facto. It is not a "flag carrier" nor is it "official".
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Old November 2nd, 2005, 09:56 AM   #523
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They codeshare with SIA? But BA is oneworld while SIA is Star Alliance. Anyway they use SIN alot to go to Australia.
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Old November 2nd, 2005, 01:11 PM   #524
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They codeshare with SIA? But BA is oneworld while SIA is Star Alliance. Anyway they use SIN alot to go to Australia.
I am sure "Monkey" means Virgin Atlantic code-shares with SQ. SQ owns at least 49% of Virgin Atlantic, by the way.
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Old November 2nd, 2005, 06:59 PM   #525
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Cathay defends sick leave changes
1 November 2005
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Cathay Pacific yesterday denied allegations of breaching privacy and anti-discrimination rules by revising a policy that requires flight attendants to disclose their medical records.

The airline said the revised Attendance Monitoring Programme, announced to 6,500 cabin crew members last Wednesday, arose out of concern for the health of staff, and aimed to ensure they sought the right medical treatment when they fell ill.

The policy was also to ensure that each worker had a fair share of the workload.

Under the programme, flight attendants who take long or frequent sick leave will have to see their seniors and company doctors for assessment. They will also be required to sign a letter authorising disclosure of their medical records to the airline.

A spokeswoman for the Cathay Pacific Airways Flight Attendants Union said the move was an infringement of privacy rights and discriminated against the sick. Some attendants said the policy was to pressure staff not to take sick leave.

The union said it might complain to the Equal Opportunities Commission, the Privacy Commissioner or the Labour Department.

The airline's cabin crew manager, Shirley Sit Sin-yee, said yesterday: "The revised policy is for our staff to help us to help them.

"It is not intended to be a punitive scheme. We believe that any type of illness should be treated at the earliest stage. There were cases where our company doctors referred attendants to specialists upon realising that their illnesses had not been treated because they were only seeing general practitioners."

She said the programme had been introduced five years ago and was revised recently to allow monitoring of sick-leave records more systematically.

Ms Sit admitted that they had noticed that some attendants were frequently taking sick leave immediately before or after weekends and festivals. But she said these cases were "unusual".

"Every time somebody calls in sick, we have to mobilise our stand-by attendants," she said. "It is unfair to hardworking staff who demonstrate a 100 per cent attendance record if they always have to take over from colleagues who abuse the system." Workers cheating on sick leave would be fired if found out.

But Ms Sit refused to divulge the number of attendants who had been notified to disclose their medical information.
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 06:55 AM   #526
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Its like calling an apple, a orange. Lets not miss use words shall we.

Its not important but don't just declare this and that, grabbing terms thoughtlessly straight from the air because it simply sounds nice. Don't talk of terms without a clue of what they mean. That is called ignorance!

Now..I'm going to ignore you!!!
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 07:33 AM   #527
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Cathay Pacific teams up with Sony Computer Entertainment Hong Kong limited on lounge GameZone

Expect to see a lot of missed flight.
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 07:43 AM   #528
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Now..I'm going to ignore you!!!
Why, just because I ask for people not to say things arbitrarily without a clue of what the words they are using really mean!

ig·no·rance noun: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

By definition, yes, to do such a thing, i.e. using words without knowing what they mean is ignorance! You want to ignore me, fine then but what I have said, is a justifiable statement not prejudiced or made out of ill will.
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Old November 3rd, 2005, 12:44 PM   #529
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They codeshare with SIA? But BA is oneworld while SIA is Star Alliance. Anyway they use SIN alot to go to Australia.
That list of destinations are Virgin Atlantic's - not BA's. Singapore Airlines owns 49% of Virgin Atlantic. However Singapore and BA also codeshare on one flight between London and Singapore despite belonging to rival alliances. It's a billateral agreement.
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Old November 5th, 2005, 03:09 AM   #530
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Cathay Pacific is the only airline allowed to carry the 'Asia's world city' logo and decorate its planes in promotional livery for all of Hong Kong. This is the result of Cathay's close working relationship with the government and tourism authorities.

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'Asia's world city' jumbo jet a big hit in UK
Tuesday, July 27, 2004
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Cathay Pacific's unique 'Asia's world city' jumbo jet performed a dramatic display at the Farnborough International Air Show in the UK, the world's biggest aviation event.

The aircraft, a Boeing 747-400, performed slow and high-speed flypasts at an altitude of just 600 feet, pulling away steeply in a sharp banking turn and giving a rare close-up display of the Brand Hong Kong logo before thousands of aviation enthusiasts.

"A dramatic display by our 'Asia's world city' for the first time put Hong Kong at centre stage of this important world event," said Cathay Pacific's Director and Chief Operating Officer, Mr Philip Chen.

The 'Asia's world city' aircraft was specially chosen to promote Hong Kong at the event. Its livery, created to mark the fifth year of the establishment of the Hong Kong SAR, features Hong Kong's fiery dragon logo, symbolising the dynamic spirit of the city.

Green and blue waves running down the aircraft's back represent the land and oceans over which it flies.

Event organisers had invited Cathay Pacific to help celebrate the centenary of aircraft engine maker Rolls-Royce. The airline was among the first to buy the Boeing 747-400 and tested the first prototype aircraft fitted with the Rolls-Royce RB211-524 engine, now used widely by airlines around the world.

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Other instances of Cathay co-operating with the government's branding initiatives include these planes in special liveries showcasing Hong Kong to the world :












Clearly there is more about Cathay to Hong Kong than just merely a locally-based airline. Dragonair, CR Airways, and Hong Kong Express don't enjoy these privileges of putting Hong Kong's brand logo and skyline on its planes. It's because the government and the Hong Kong brand already recognizes Cathay as an official international symbol of Hong Kong.
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Old November 5th, 2005, 10:09 AM   #531
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05 November 2005

Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Promotes Hong Kong on US Tour


Cathay Pacific Airways' Chief Executive Philip Chen met with business leaders in San Francisco during a tour of major US cities designed to promote Hong Kong as the global gateway to the Chinese Mainland.

As guest speaker in the Distinguished Speakers Programme, held at the Bankers Club in San Francisco by the Hong Kong Association of Northern California, Mr Chen addressed an audience of more than 150 business, community and travel trade leaders.

"All great cities in the world today are aviation centres. The future of aviation will be a competition amongst hubs. Hong Kong's importance as a global hub and gateway to the Chinese Mainland must be enhanced," said Mr Chen.

He also led a leadership seminar with 50 future leaders attending Stanford University's Sloan Programme at the Graduate School of Business to share his views on the future prospects and development of the aviation industry. The Sloan Programme is a 10-month graduate programme for mid-career senior managers. It regularly invites leaders of successful international corporations to address its student body.

Mr Chen added at the seminar: "Today, Hong Kong operates one of the busiest international airports in the world, served by over 70 airlines and operating to more than 140 international destinations. As the home carrier of Hong Kong, Cathay Pacific believes that it bears an important role in Hong Kong's continued hub development and we are committed to further growing our fleet and network so as to help advance Hong Kong's status as the world's leading aviation hub."

Earlier in the week Mr Chen visited Dallas where he met members of the Hong Kong Association of North Texas at a breakfast hosted by Ms Doris Cheung, Director of the Hong Kong Economic Trade Office in San Francisco. Dallas will become the latest addition to Cathay Pacific's on-line network with the launch of a three-times-weekly freighter service from Hong Kong later this month. This flight will also serve Atlanta.

Cathay Pacific operates more services each week between Hong Kong and the North America than any other airline. It pioneered non-stop services from Hong Kong to Los Angeles and New York and recently added a third-daily flight to Los Angeles, the biggest West Coast hub. The airline also operates one of the world's youngest fleets, and has been voted "Airline of the Year" 2005 by SkyTrax.
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Old November 6th, 2005, 09:32 AM   #532
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06 November 2005
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Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Ends US Tour with San Francisco Mayor

Cathay Pacific Airways' Chief Executive Philip Chen has concluded a four-day tour of US cities to promote Hong Kong as a global aviation hub and gateway to the Chinese Mainland.

Mr Chen met with Mr Gavin Newson, Mayor of the City and County of San Francisco, at his San Francisco City Hall office to discuss ways to further increase air traffic between San Francisco and Hong Kong. Doris Cheung, Director, Hong Kong Economic and Trade Office, San Francisco, also joined the meeting.

Mr Chen announced that Cathay Pacific will be the designated airline to fly Mr Newson's first official trade mission to China since he became Mayor. He will lead a 40-member delegation of local business leaders to Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong from 25 November to 4 December. It will also be his first official visit to Hong Kong.

"We are very proud that Hong Kong has been selected as one of the three major Chinese cities to play host to the mission led by the San Francisco Mayor. It underlines Hong Kong’s integral role as the predominant southern gateway linking the Chinese Mainland and the rest of the world," Mr Chen said.

"Great cities of the world today are aviation centres. The Mayor's mission further recognizes the importance of strengthening air links between San Francisco and Hong Kong - two of the greatest cities on either side of the Pacific Ocean. As Hong Kong's home carrier, Cathay Pacific is delighted to use its hub connections to help facilitate closer links between the United States and the Chinese Mainland," he added.

Cathay Pacific operates 95 wide-body aircraft and has a network reaching 92 destinations in 35 countries and territories. It operates more services each week between Hong Kong and the United States than any other airline, including 42 passenger flights to 24 cities through either direct or codeshare services and 21 scheduled freighter services. Cathay Pacific operates one of the youngest fleets in the world and has embarked upon the fastest expansion plan in its history, rapidly growing its fleet and network.

It provides the more services to major international cities out of its home-base in Hong Kong than any other airline. They include a thrice-daily service to Los Angeles, Sydney and London and a twice-daily service to New York. It will launch a fourth daily service to London in December. Cathay Pacific was voted "Airline of the Year 2005" in the London-based Skytrax Research poll of travellers around the globe – the world's largest passenger poll.

Earlier in the week Mr Chen visited Dallas, to which Cathay Pacific will later this month start a direct three-times-weekly freighter service.
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Old November 6th, 2005, 09:48 AM   #533
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This is getting old.

Just prove the point, if you show us that HK SAR government or Cathay Pacific using the words the "official" airline of HK.

Cathay Pacific is the only airline allowed to carry the 'Asia's world city' logo and decorate its planes in promotional livery for all of Hong Kong. This is the result of Cathay's close working relationship with the government and tourism authorities.

Thats all that can be said about Cathay, they have a working relationship doesn't make it the official airline! Just because they have a monopoly on the promotion doesn't make it the official airline of the city.

The 'Asia's world city' aircraft was specially chosen to promote Hong Kong at the event. Its livery, created to mark the fifth year of the establishment of the Hong Kong SAR, features Hong Kong's fiery dragon logo, symbolising the dynamic spirit of the city.

This also doesn't make it the "official airline". Its just a promotional agreement.

Clearly there is more about Cathay to Hong Kong than just merely a locally-based airline. Dragonair, CR Airways, and Hong Kong Express don't enjoy these privileges of putting Hong Kong's brand logo and skyline on its planes. It's because the government and the Hong Kong brand already recognizes Cathay as an official international symbol of Hong Kong.

Just because cathay is the only HK based airline that enjoys and promotes HK still does not make it the "official" airline!!

It is not a recognition of an official international symbol if they have never declared it so, never have the HK SAR government declared Cathay an "official international symbol" as you put it! Thus it is not so.
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Just prove the point, if you show us that HK SAR government or Cathay Pacific using the words the "official" airline of HK.
Maybe you should try to show us that you or your mom using the words the "official" son of your mom?
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Give over, Subang. I think this point has been beaten to death.

Why is it so important to you whether CX is HK's 'official airline' or 'flag carrier' or 'de-facto flag carrier'? Are you with the IATA or something? Candidly, on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is 'most important', this ranks somewhere around -5. So my gentle suggestion is we all get on with life, eh?

Speaking of priorities, anybody been in the Gamezone in the CX lounge yet?
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Old November 6th, 2005, 11:12 AM   #536
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=official

of·fi·cial

1. Of or relating to an office or a post of authority: official duties.
2. Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative: official permission.
3. Holding office or serving in a public capacity: an official representative.
4. Characteristic of or befitting a person of authority; formal: an official banquet.
5. Authorized by or contained in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia or National Formulary. Used of drugs.
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Then by your bolded point, Cathay Pacific is the only Hong Kong-based airline (and any airline in the world) authorized by the government to carry the Hong Kong brand overseas.
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of·fi·cial

1. Of or relating to an office or a post of authority: official duties.
2. Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative: official permission.
3. Holding office or serving in a public capacity: an official representative.
4. Characteristic of or befitting a person of authority; formal: an official banquet.
5. Authorized by or contained in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia or National Formulary. Used of drugs.

Don't throw all these English definition craps around, man!
Looking back all the previous posts, I can see how "popular" you are in this forum!
What are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that HK is a crap place and has no official airline?
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Don't throw all these English definition craps around, man!
Looking back all the previous posts, I can see how "popular" you are in this forum!
What are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to prove that HK is a crap place and has no official airline?
I'm not in this for a popularity contest! I'm not trying to prove HK is a crap place, I never said such a thing nor was there any intent to do so.

If you look back, this all started with me pointing out to the "flag carrier" title of this thread! Which I pointed out quite unambiguously that it wasn't a "flag carrier", quite a few people agreed with me its not. I was just pointing out how its misleading.
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I'm not in this for a popularity contest! I'm not trying to prove HK is a crap place, I never said such a thing nor was there any intent to do so.

If you look back, this all started with me pointing out to the "flag carrier" title of this thread! Which I pointed out quite unambiguously that it wasn't a "flag carrier", quite a few people agreed with me its not. I was just pointing out how its misleading.

Dudes, chill already. You're arguing over ... **what** exactly?

Whether it's formally recognized or not by any government body, organization or whatever, Cathay Pacific IS the de-facto flag carrier of HK (not Dragonair which flies mainly to China and selected Asian routes).
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