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[D'Transporter]

Originally Posted by FM 2258

It looks like Japan, Germany and Italy make the best cars in the world. Ironically those were the countries that lost WWII but they have the best in ground transportation technology.

The US can make the best car in the world if it wants to. The US has a lot of other better things to think about like maintaining to be the most powerful country in the world. The best minds in the US are not working for the car companies, they are working for the defense & space technology companies.

[D'Transporter]

Originally Posted by superchan7

The Axis powers are defeating us now. We're car-dependent and they're not.

They're not. I'll bet you if the US President orders the country to build the best car in the world in a matter of a few months it can easily do so. It's just not the country's interest right now.

[Dziekan]

Minato KU yes, I remember them even in a few American movies. There were American versions of r21 and some other old ones.

I think they should try 'attack' the US again. Especially renault, since they own Nissan and Infinity so they could use their dealerships for a start

most renaults are perhaps too small for the American market but...
Models such as laguna (lagoon) 3.0 V6 or 2.0 turbo




vel satis 3.5 V6



or a van -espace 3.0 V6


and megane coupe-cabrio with a hard top


and megane RS 2.0 225 bhp -something for streetracers


What od our American forumers think, would cars like that be succesful in the US?
In EU renault is in the very top

[soup or man]

Here are some all new cars that are out or coming out here in the states.

Audi S8 (I want this car badly)


Buick Lucerne


Cadillac Escalade


2009 Chrysler Imperial concept


Dodge Calibur


Ford Fusion


Honda Fit


Kia Optima


Lexus LS460


2008 Lincoln MKS (pronounced 'Mark S')


Lincoln Navigator


Mercury Milan


Nissan Altima


Nissan Versa


Saturn Aura


Saturn Sky


Toyota Yaris

[Ultros]

Originally Posted by D'Transporter

The US can make the best car in the world if it wants to. The US has a lot of other better things to think about like maintaining to be the most powerful country in the world. The best minds in the US are not working for the car companies, they are working for the defense & space technology companies.

Car companies are privately owned businesses, in case you forgot. The government has very little to do with the quality of the cars the companies produce. That is, unless the U.S. government decided to slap a huge fine on the companies for producing cars that are "crap".

Hmm, maybe I'm onto something.....

[Dziekan]

yaris sedan...that seems weird to me, they're not being sold in EU
small sedans are popular though

and American ford fusion, heh there is a ford fusion in EU but...a bit different in europe it's a small...hmmmm miniSUV...more or less

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[soup or man]

^ Here in the US, with gas being as high as it is, small to midsized cars are more popular that SUVs (Escalade, GMC Yukon, Chevy Suburban notwitstanding. And even those are going to have a hybrid version within a year or so.)

And to answer your question about Renault doing well in the US: All of the Renault models would sell really well. Most likely the Laguna and the Megane above all else. And soccer moms would love the Espace. A mini van with a unique style.

[Dziekan]

High prices in the US...hehe wish to have that problem, I know gas prices were always low in America in comparison to Europe so you think your prices now are high.

but: Imagine that in Poland I currently pay... over 4 zlotys per litre of gas
1 dollar is 3 zlotys so that means I pay way more than 1 dollar for one litre...one litre is NOT one galon.
Here's the reason why cars in EU are smaller and have smaller engines

+ Poland is still behind western EU if it comes to wages...and prices of new cars are also high

that's why many people install LPG instalations ( 1 litre of LPG costs about 2 zlotys )

Diesel engines are more and more popular. Oil is not much cheaper than gas, but diesels need less of it and new turbodiesels have awesome performance for their size

eg. 1.6 diesel engine can develop 110 bhp, 1.3 90 bhp. 2.0 diesels 150 bhp and more

[soup or man]

A gallon of gas here in the US is more or less $3 dollars a gallon. Which is alot. It isn't unheard of people paying over $100 dollars to fill up. Granted, they drive huge SUVs but I digress.

You won't see many diesel powered cars in the US but you'll see plenty of diesel trucks rumbling down the street.

[Dziekan]

ps hehe still can't get myself accustomed to your American way of categorizing size of cars.

Espace called a 'mini van' and so on.
Or I've heard that toyota camry is regarded a 'small/medium saloon in the US
sound strange to me We have a different idea of size here and cars such as laguna are considered big. Perhaps if the wages in Poland will be closer to the US' level, automotive tastes change

for now comparison of the bestseller in the US and Poland:

USA -toyota camry


Poland -skoda fabia

[Dziekan]

filling up for a 100$

filling up a chrysler 300C in Poland would 'produce such a score'

[I-275westcoastfl]

i remember going to poland and one of my relatives were fillin up their honda civic in Gdansk and i was like damn you paid $40 to fill up a civic it was suprising to me lol.

[SEG]

Originally Posted by FM 2258

It looks like Japan, Germany and Italy make the best cars in the world. Ironically those were the countries that lost WWII but they have the best in ground transportation technology.

They surrendered to the US at that time, so the US allowed them learning US car technologies and exporting their cars to the US market against making US military bases in their lands. As the proof look at the pitiful appearances of the countries that rebelled against the US after WWII.

[Prestonian]

American Gas is still cheap relative to most of europe. In Britain petrol is approaching £1 a litre which would really get Americans thinking. It really annoys me that European car makers go to amazing lengths to squeeze 50mpg out of an executive saloon/family car but that American cars suffice at below 30. What is the point of us squeezing 50mpg out of european models when NEW cars in America (let alone the old ones) are far far less. I champion higher US gas prices and long may they rise as it may encourage the development of a little bit of environmental conscience. Switch to the cars that Europeans now commonly drive and see how much less you have to bother about your energy supply/costs then. Even better, reduce US consumption and give the world a breather on oil prices! The US lifestyle is way out of date it MUST start to change, for the world and for itself.


US cars may suit their market but in general the styling is so bland. I like some of the newer models, 300C but in general as long as they are big, frumpy, baddly engineered and gas guzzling then they'll sell. The US car industry is on its knees at last, and for one good reason, they make crap cars! Look at the interior of a US car compared to a European one, US ones are abismal and cheap looking.


French cars do appear to lead the way in styling at the moment, Citroen and Renault in particular. I think the espace would do very well in the US as well as the Megane and Laguna (new laguna above looks excellent btw). What ever happened to the Avantime?

[bustero]

Here's the best selling car in the Philippines and perhaps the South East Asian Market. Something most of you will never see unless you come over here. The Toyota Innova, a 7 to 8 seat mpv with a 4 cylinder engine (gas or diesel) retailing from Php 700,000 to Php 1,030,000 (US$13,500 to US$20,000) part of the Toyota IMV program which developed the Fortuner SUB and Dmax Pickup.

[Cloudship]

At one point, Renault had controlling interest of AMC. They eventually sold this to Chrysler and pulled out of the US. Personally, I would love to see Renault and Peugeot come back to the US. The 405 and 505 did pretty well in New England (but poorly elsewhere, I guess). I think there would be room for a smaller. but more upscale, car.

But then I wonder if the styling is a little too odd for the general US population. The Nissan Quest is getting toned down this year because it was a little too out there, and this is a more normalized version of the Espace. Oh, the Nissan Versa - is that really the Megane made US appropriate?

[Dziekan]

if it comes to avantime, renault ceased producing it some time ago, it was too extravagant even for the European market.

and indeed... a 3d hatchback minivan

[aCidMinD81]

I'm going to buy in two months time the new Honda Civic (European version) but at least here in Spain there's a problem with the delivery of the cars, nowadays Honda is taking 5 months with the delivery since you reserve the car.







Do you know if there's the same problem in other European countries?

Wich is the price in your country?

i.e. In Spain the Sport Gas version costs 21100 € and the Sport Diesel version 23100 €

[Cloudship]

Keep in mind that an imperial gallon is more than an american gallon. An american gallon is about 3.78 liters, and imperial is about 4.5 liters.

[Dziekan]

the new civic is...difficult to find words for it, definitely one of his kind