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Old November 15th, 2006, 09:22 PM   #61
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What a show you guys put it here, Jus and Senhor Portugues! I have learned so much from both of you. Couldn't believe I spent couple hours to read this thread. My wife was wondering what I was doing with my cell phone (yes I read it on my cell phone). But since it is so interesting, I couldn't resist keep reading it even on the tiny screen.

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Old November 16th, 2006, 12:46 AM   #62
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I would draw the conclusion, Macau is the most important and attractive place among the three, Macau, Portugal, Kongkong.
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Macau is attractive, but probably not the most important place out of the three, it depends on what you are judging on anyway
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The GDP per capita of Macau may suppass that of HK in the next few years. The GDP growth in Macau is scary.
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Macau is attractive, but probably not the most important place out of the three, it depends on what you are judging on anyway
I said this just arising from this thread. The two guys arguing with each other definite are Macau-lovers, while HK and Portugal correspondingly are irrelevant and less important in the topic.
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I said this just arising from this thread. The two guys arguing with each other definite are Macau-lovers, while HK and Portugal correspondingly are irrelevant and less important in the topic.
You could say they have hijacked this thread.
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The GDP per capita of Macau may suppass that of HK in the next few years. The GDP growth in Macau is scary.
This cannot be for sure, because the growth is sudden and not stable. But I would be so impressed if this happens! I love Macau.
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The GDP per capita of Macau may suppass that of HK in the next few years. The GDP growth in Macau is scary.
Pax, I'm sure that Macau's GDP WON'T grow that fast again after those construction completes and the maturity of the gambling market.

I really hope your Gov't could do well for anti-corruption and take good care on the budget! Look at what Sonpou critise for the East Asian Games budget last week and this week! The title is Macau, where will you go for tomorrow? -- The apocalypse from the East Asian Games (2005). (東亞運的啟示:澳門,明天你往何處去? )

Last Week:
澳門特別行政區「打腫臉充胖子 」的奢侈東亞運動會被審計署的一份「遲來的 」報告帶起了市民的重新關注。説來好笑,如果記性還好的讀者,應該記得在前些年東亞運的籌辦期間,坊間其實就已經在討論「四十多億 」的投入是否太過分,而活動籌辦期間,東亞運組委會主席蕭威利在一次公開講話中提出:東亞運不存在預算規劃,亦即暗示政府在這場運動會的投入上需要多少就會花多少。此番言論在澳門社會迅即掀起軒然大波。此後,知道說錯話的蕭威利又提出七十億這個數字,後來,又以「普通話發音不好」為藉口,指明該是「四十億 」才對。滿天飛的數字讓人眼花撩亂,直至去年七月,蕭威利在回覆議員質詢時澄清,東亞運動會的開支預計為四十億。這些都是去年發生的新聞,而經過了差不多一年多的時間,政府審計署才來公佈「專業 」結果,而恐怕更加善忘的觀衆要等到看見了報紙的新聞,才發覺自己做了一次「冤大頭 」吧?

  台灣阿扁才貪了新台幣一千四百萬,台灣民眾就又是圍攻、又是巡島遊行,聲討其下台。但澳門花了新台幣一百七十六億,當中有沒有貪污還是未知之數,但本地市民的反應好像也不是太大。也許,更多的人還在懊悔怎麽自己沒有這麽好運能加入這場「發達遊戲 」吧?消息公佈當日,電視新聞裏那個年輕男孩談感受,竟說:「咁都係想為咗搞好東亞運先洗咗咁多錢,無乜嘢吖,澳門咁有錢! 」不知道讀者看見這段新聞作何感想,我可是心膽俱寒!這就是我們的下一代?這就是澳門將賴以發展的未來棟梁?我想,大家還是執定包袱準備移民好了。

  我們通常聽到的説法是:澳門人生性淳樸。這是說的好聽,裏面潛臺詞就是:「鄉下仔未見過世面 」。你幾時見過別人形容「東京、巴黎 」的市民淳樸?倒是某些窮鄉僻壤的地方,你會發現這麽些「淳樸 」的臉孔。但「淳樸 」是來自見識少、未知世途險惡而已,未必代表具備當然的「理性 」,而這些「淳樸 」的人們一旦在「金錢利益 」的猛烈衝擊之下,可能會變得比任何城市人還要貪心和冷漠。

  誠然,澳門民心團結是回歸數年來社會穩定、和諧發展的重要因素。澳門沒有政治黨派的明爭暗鬥,加上經濟大環境氣氛良好,因此,政府在制定長遠發展政策、推出具體施政措施時,基本上不會遇到過什麼阻力。可以說,澳門特區政府在管治上擁有相當的絕對權威。可如果政府視之為理所當然,則勢必將特區政府的管治帶入一個極端危險的方向。一旦政府與民衆的這種信任和默契被破壞,今後接任的政府班子可能要花上數倍、甚至十數倍的時間、精力來重建。

  事實證明,特區政府的「精明管家 」形象已經在東亞運事件後受到了極大的損害,政府死抱「粉飾太平政績 」、「打造形象工程 」的官僚心態,在一些完全不符合澳門現實環境的項目上盲目投資、胡亂建設,這次「大手腳 」事件經過内地、香港、海外傳媒的報道,不但輸掉國際形象、更輸掉了民心。這次東亞運,對澳門的所謂「國際形象 」、「城市地位 」有多少拉動的作用,相信「旁觀者清 」。而更嚴重的是:以後再想市民放心的把錢交到政府手裏,已經不再像以前那麽容易。


This week:
在東亞運超支事件裏,超資金額的多少反而不是重點。事件核心在於:一、爲什麽如此巨額的預算可以在政府内部通行無阻?沒有一位高級官員,沒有一個具備「靈敏政治嗅覺 」的官員意識到這種「大花筒 」行爲後面可能帶來的問題嗎?二、作爲澳門民衆的監察代表的立法會到哪裏去了?除了少數議員的疾呼,其他議員都把自己的社會責任抛到九霄雲外去了嗎?他們爲什麽對如此重大的社會民生議題視而不見?是因爲他們無需向選民負責?還是他們根本不用在乎民衆的態度?如果真的是這樣的話,爲什麽?三、應該行使監察權的媒體們到哪裏去了?東亞運的問題講了不止一年,「四十億 」這個數字也不是第一次出現,爲什麽這麽明擺在面前的事實,傳媒可以視而不見,甚至連去深究的興趣和勇氣也沒有呢?四、澳門人的聲音呢?那些錢本來就是屬於澳門民衆的財產,這麽巨額的公帑,也許可以讓澳門每個市民在有病的時候快點得到醫治,他們的小孩子上學可以收到更好的教育,甚至,大家可以多呼吸一些新鮮的空氣,少喝一些醎度超標的食水………可是,澳門人好像卻不怎麽在乎,大家都在貪圖眼前的蠅頭小利,卻忘了共同來打掃一下這個就快要骯髒的無法居住的家園!

  如今,澳門的管治大權已經掌握在一小撮政、商界人物手中,這固然有類似新加坡社會的「精英管治 」的強勢政府優勢,但也存在萬一「領路人 」犯錯,全體社會要共同承擔後果、進而觸發社會根基不穩的風險。而東亞運事件正明明白白地警示我們:澳門政府不但會犯錯,還會犯如此低級的錯誤。

  零六年第一屆葡語系運動會剛剛落下帷幕,成績如何相信各位市民有目共睹。而今後澳門面對的一系列活動:零七年亞洲第二屆室內運動會、以及世界女排大獎賽、亞洲青年田徑錦標賽等多項賽事。今後政府會以怎樣的態度去運用手中的公帑與公權?社會管治體系、監控制度又如何建立?從東亞運截至目前的處理進展來看,實在凍過水。

  「未雨綢繆 」是中國人面對順境的時候用來自我提醒的處事哲學。看來,今天的澳門已經變成了外人眼裏洗腳唔抹腳的「大花筒 」。不過,我看,背後的某些主事官員應該極度「心水清」:他們知道今天澳門的好景只不過是曇花一現的過眼煙雲,所以,趁著有機會,趕快撈上一筆,以備將來「滂沱大雨 」的時候用來自保,至於澳門、還有澳門人的利益?管它呢!

  澳門面對今天的盛景,應該說是在開放博彩市場、與中國内地的經貿、市場融合等元素的大環境下的一次「幸運 」,面對突然的經濟暢旺,特區政府不論從管制理念、專業技術、法制環境等各個方面,其實都有一點突然被「黃袍加身 」的勉強。但如果政府不抓住機遇,加快走上「專業化、高效化 」的管治方向,反而被一小撮「蛀蟲 」挖空了澳門社會可持續發展的核心,更令人擔憂的,還賠上了人民對政府的信任。那麽,澳門就沒有辦法透過這次「突然盛世 」而「鯉魚跳龍門 」,成爲一個人人安居樂業的好地方。

  東亞運事件給澳門人帶來的啓示,既不在耗費公帑的多少,也不在於哪一位官員應該人頭落地,它讓我們發現,原來,一件這麽重大的事件,一個政府、社會的這麽多層監督、約束、警示機制竟然都無法發揮作用。那麽,真正的問題,到底我們有沒有去面對?而下一次,我們又有沒有辦法避免?


--What the passage mainly critise 1, the Gov't planned budget for this East Asian Games badly and costed 4 billion Patacas more. 2, The Legsitive Assembly didn't monitor the budget well. 3, Media didn't monitor the budget and 4, No voice from the Macau people.
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The GDP per capita of Macau may suppass that of HK in the next few years. The GDP growth in Macau is scary.
澳門人均GDP將超越香港

(明報) 11月 21日 星期二 05:10PM

美國摩根大通銀行發表報告表示,由於澳門賭業蓬勃發展,澳門人均國民生產總值很可能在短期內超過香港。

根據澳門及香港官方資料,去年澳門的人均生產總值(GDP)為兩萬四千兩百四十九美元,香港為兩萬五千五百九十二美元。

值得注意的是,二零零三年至二零零五年澳門人均GDP分別上升百分之十一點四、二十七及七點二,同一時期香港的升幅只有百分之三、四點五及六點二。

據摩根大通發表的研究報告,明年澳門有多家美資大型新賭場將開幕,澳門經濟將再顯著成長。

據澳門官方資訊,明年博彩稅預計達兩百億澳門元,較今年增加約三十億元。澳門政府已表示,明年公務員將加薪百分之四以上。

不過,外資的研究報告也指出,儘管澳門經濟表現頗佳,但貧富不均情況比香港嚴重。
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unfortunately a large proportion of the GDP is make up from gambling industry, what happen if one day the gambling industry collapse in Macau and if other countries allows to have casinos?
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Is that nominal or PPP?
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This thread definitely gets my vote for the Hall of Fame!
Good joke mate! Jus is an excellent guy and he helped to boost our chat. He likes Macau as much as I like!

If one day the gambling industry collapse in Macau it will be chaos. Anyway I hope Macau Gov't has a plan B.
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Is that nominal or PPP?
I believe this is the figure for nominal GDP, not PPP
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God, 27% of growth in GDP norminal? Wasn't that crazy? :shock:
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