MANCHESTER - Old Trafford (75,765)

[ManchesterISwonderful]

Originally Posted by WeasteDevil

How to deal with the railway issue still hasn't been decided after 10 years since work started on the North Stand, but there is a model, or used to be, showing the whole 96,000 stadium complete, with the South Stand an identical copy of the North without the scaffolding cantilevers.

Seen that pic. But it's without the corners. They've planned for a three tier South Stand that's for sure, which is the reason why they never added a smaller second tier on the South, and went for the corner extensions instead.

[MoreOrLess]

So whats going to happen for the next couple of seasons in the existing corner areas, are they going to be useable?

If it hasnt already been mentioned I'd guess that one upshot of the Glazer takeover could well be a much faster exspansion of the entire stadium. The clubs existsing plan of slow expansion was based on not taking themselves into debt like Arsenal have with their new stadium, now Glazer is heavly in debt surely he's going to want the increased revenue from a larger stadium ASAP.

[WeasteDevil]

There will be no/minimal loss of seating during the current work.

As for further expansion, depends how much it will cost. If it cost 30m for the West and East ends and 40m for the two corners, when considering the railway line and housing, and other difficulties, full stadium expansion I would guess would cost in the region of 100m.

Then they have to get Trafford Council on side, who will probably want further cash for public transport and infrastructure. These two new corner extensions are getting Trafford Council 1m quid for just 7,800 seats. Full South Stand with corners expansion would be nearer to an extra 19,000 seats.

[MoreOrLess]

I'd guess that costs could well be lower if work on both the main stand and the other two corners were undertaken at the same time though.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

I think it'd cost around 50-60m. I agree with MoreorLess, it's cheaper all in one go. And we should forget the one of the main reasons why it's costing as much as it is, (the current expansion) is down to the amount of corporate facilities the new corners will contain.

[Sparks]

Yes i'm embarresed, will try to do better when I have more time.

To improve it, zoom out as far as you can or go to the back of your room and look at your screen.

original

[eddyk]

Lets see the Original pic....I might give it ago aswell

[WeasteDevil]

Not a bad effort.

If you shadowed the second tier corners it would look better though.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

I did one last week.

Post it tommorrow.

[unfrequented]

had a go at one of the corners

[WeasteDevil]

Someone having a joke with Photoshop:



Bastards!

[Sparks]

That's really good unfrequented, but it's the other corner that will cause the problems.

[WeasteDevil]

Flip it and skew it.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

No. Just use the clone tool. Mark out the areas you want to clone within, and clone away. . .

[MoreOrLess]

What kind of effect do the Man Utd fans here think its going to have on the ground? I'v never been there myself but I'v always imagined the tops of the renovated stands felt quite cut off with the downward sloping roof where as the new layout looks alot more open.

[andysimo123]

Originally Posted by MoreOrLess

What kind of effect do the Man Utd fans here think its going to have on the ground? I'v never been there myself but I'v always imagined the tops of the renovated stands felt quite cut off with the downward sloping roof where as the new layout looks alot more open.

At the top of the north you feel like your watching tv from a high up camera but I dont think that will feel much different. The difference will be felt in the second tier. Instead of have a massive wall it will be just be a massive sea of United fans. Also in the two ends uptop it can get petty cold so hope the air flow changes, to make it warmer.

Its also going to make it more noisey. Atm when fans sing in the east second tier the noise stays there and has no where to travel. In the Streford end is differnet because all the fans sign from down there and the noise gets cut of by the sides of the roof but still travels because they all sing. With out the sides should make it a better atmosphere. None of the north or south even make a noise during the game. The north is full of southerns and the south full of old people.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by andysimo123

None of the north or south even make a noise during the game. The north is full of southerns and the south full of old people.

What are you trying to say? That people from the south don't make much noise while pople from the north do?

Nothing more than myth, IMO.

The atmosphere at London clubs is at least as good as it is at northern clubs. And in terms of the Premiership, I'd say that there isn't even a shred of doubt that the best home fans are Portsmouth.

And you don't get much further south in England than that!

[Madman]

Yeah but then some of us in Hampshire do describe Portsmouth as a decaying northern industrial city stuck on our fair coast!

[andysimo123]

Originally Posted by JimB

What are you trying to say? That people from the south don't make much noise while pople from the north do?

Nothing more than myth, IMO.

The atmosphere at London clubs is at least as good as it is at northern clubs. And in terms of the Premiership, I'd say that there isn't even a shred of doubt that the best home fans are Portsmouth.

And you don't get much further south in England than that!

Yes all the rich/posh southerns sit the North. The boring lot.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

Originally Posted by andysimo123

At the top of the north you feel like your watching tv from a high up camera but I dont think that will feel much different. The difference will be felt in the second tier. Instead of have a massive wall it will be just be a massive sea of United fans. Also in the two ends uptop it can get petty cold so hope the air flow changes, to make it warmer.

Its also going to make it more noisey. Atm when fans sing in the east second tier the noise stays there and has no where to travel. In the Streford end is differnet because all the fans sign from down there and the noise gets cut of by the sides of the roof but still travels because they all sing. With out the sides should make it a better atmosphere. None of the north or south even make a noise during the game. The north is full of southerns and the south full of old people.

I've sat in the North plenty of times. And it's not full of Southerners at all. Plenty more Mancs. However, the third tier is full of day trippers and the whole stand has loads of corporates.

The South is just pathetic. Full of prawn sarnies.