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Old November 3rd, 2010, 06:27 PM   #1761
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The necessary access routers through those houses have already been purchased and demolished.

Personally I think the project is good to go, whenever the funds/attendances future dictates.

Best guess....2018 bid..in 3 months if the bid is successful then United will get a grant (1966, 1995 precedents) to part-fund the expansion.

So...next Spring announcement of the plans? Conostruction would be in 2014,2015 or 2016? Takes one year (North Stand example)?

It will happen, just a question of when.
aaaaaaah, so theyve got the space now to do it, but its just the means i suppose.

good luck to united. as a rovers fan id love our riverside stand to be knocked down and have a matching stand put in to make ewood match on all sides, but given we rarely have the ground at capacity it clearly not worth the money, but i rekon united could easily add another 10/20,000 to their gates if not a lot more
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 09:00 PM   #1762
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aaaaaaah, so theyve got the space now to do it, but its just the means i suppose.

good luck to united. as a rovers fan id love our riverside stand to be knocked down and have a matching stand put in to make ewood match on all sides, but given we rarely have the ground at capacity it clearly not worth the money, but i rekon united could easily add another 10/20,000 to their gates if not a lot more
depends on the opposition and ticket prices.
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Old November 4th, 2010, 02:55 PM   #1763
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im sure if united upped their capacity by that much they could at the very least reduce their season ticket waiting list by quite a few thousand
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Old November 4th, 2010, 03:25 PM   #1764
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The necessary access routers through those houses have already been purchased and demolished.

Personally I think the project is good to go, whenever the funds/attendances future dictates.

Best guess....2018 bid..in 3 months if the bid is successful then United will get a grant (1966, 1995 precedents) to part-fund the expansion.

So...next Spring announcement of the plans? Conostruction would be in 2014,2015 or 2016? Takes one year (North Stand example)?

It will happen, just a question of when.
I'm guessing not with the Glazers in charge but perhaps soon afterwards if a new owner whats to put their stamp on the club.

If it does happen then I don't see them replicating the north stand. That design was afterall never intended to be joined up into a bowl and took alot of fiddly work with the quads to join things up. The more logical devolpment clearly seems to be to wrap the 2 tier ends around to the south stand.

The real focus of an redevolpment would IMHO be the corperate/luxury market aswell rather than going for maximum capacity. I don't know the exact deatilas but I'm betting a large part of the reason why Arsenal have surpassed you in matchday income is that the Emirates caters to that market better.

A two tier south stand wrapped around to the sides with the lower part of the second teir as luxury seats and a ton of luxury facilties giving a capacity around 85-88Ks is what I'd expect to see
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Old November 4th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #1765
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so whats the deal with the north stand then?

was it meant to be completely different? or did they not look far enough into the future and just erected a stand that meant more work would be needed if they wanted to expand afterwards?
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Old November 4th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #1766
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so whats the deal with the north stand then?

was it meant to be completely different? or did they not look far enough into the future and just erected a stand that meant more work would be needed if they wanted to expand afterwards?
The xtra 5,000 seats on the 3rd tier are monumentally high up, something like 180foot up. The stand was built with the aid of a grant for Euro 1996 so maybe United used that cash and chucked another deck on top?

They really should replicate the stand size on the south side because it is a truly huge structure. I remember it going up and the massive cranes, without the roof you got an idea of the scale of the structure, something the roof now hides. From the pitch on a Euro night it must look awesome.
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Old November 4th, 2010, 05:22 PM   #1767
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yeah the roof does hide just how big that stand is. i mean it looks pretty impressive as it is but if it was a flat roof it would look immense!

it would have looked pretty amazing if they had have kept a flat roof so that it looked the same as it did in the 90s, essentially just added another tier all the way round.

whenever they do decide to up the capacity tho, ive no doubt it will look damn impressive!
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Old November 4th, 2010, 05:27 PM   #1768
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if theyd added a tier or 2 all the way around and basically made the old ground higher it would have looked quality!! it does know IMO but on here ive seen a lot of people moan about how the stands look unevern n all that but like i always say, grounds that arent completely uniform all the way round seem to have much more soul than modern bowls.

i rekon old trafford was probably the last bowl ground with character as it was added to over the years rather than built from scratch
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Old November 4th, 2010, 07:41 PM   #1769
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Old November 4th, 2010, 11:08 PM   #1770
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im sure if united upped their capacity by that much they could at the very least reduce their season ticket waiting list by quite a few thousand
there is no waiting list....you can still buy season tickets.
As for the stadium development since 93,there seemed to be no long term plan for the stadium,it was 'we'll build the north stand and that'll be enough seats....oh we still need more seats...we'll do both ends and that'll be enough...oh right,still not big enough,we'll link up the corners....but they dont link up properly,the gradiants are different...oh well,that'll do for now anyway'.

the north stand should have been part1 of a long term plan rather than making do.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 07:39 AM   #1771
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Old November 5th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #1772
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Why can't find any photos of the North stand construcion anywhere?
It's like one day it just magically appeared.
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Old November 5th, 2010, 10:51 PM   #1773
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the north stand when it was demolished in 1995,the only bits that remained were F stand and J stand

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Old November 5th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #1774
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Old November 8th, 2010, 05:59 PM   #1775
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if theyd added a tier or 2 all the way around and basically made the old ground higher it would have looked quality!! it does know IMO but on here ive seen a lot of people moan about how the stands look unevern n all that but like i always say, grounds that arent completely uniform all the way round seem to have much more soul than modern bowls.

i rekon old trafford was probably the last bowl ground with character as it was added to over the years rather than built from scratch
It was only a bowl for a very short space of time. The Stretford End was, as well as being a terrace, a very different looking structure due to its odd roof. The end was only seated in 1993, and the whole stadium in 1994. Just a year later they demolished one side to make way for the new 25,000 seat stand.

So in all, it was only a bowl for a year, and then in an era when bowls were still, if not non-existent in the country. The Riverside didn't open until 1995, which was the first newly built stadium built here with the "plain single tier on at least 3 sides" look that's come to symbolise the bland conformity of modern stadium design.
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Old May 16th, 2011, 12:54 AM   #1776
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How come the original capacity of Old Trafford was 80,000 yet it was never filled up to that capacity because the attendance record was around 76,900?
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Old May 18th, 2011, 01:39 PM   #1777
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Old May 18th, 2011, 04:21 PM   #1778
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How come the original capacity of Old Trafford was 80,000 yet it was never filled up to that capacity because the attendance record was around 76,900?
Because Manchester United weren't a big club until the 1940/50s, in fact City were bigger. They spent a lot of the 30s yo-yoing and struggling at the bottom of the second division. By the time the Busby Babes came along and then the media obsession that came with it (especially post munich) their stadium was much smaller.

A lot of clubs played in stadium's whose capacity was never officially tested.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 05:22 PM   #1779
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Because Manchester United weren't a big club until the 1940/50s, in fact City were bigger. They spent a lot of the 30s yo-yoing and struggling at the bottom of the second division. By the time the Busby Babes came along and then the media obsession that came with it (especially post munich) their stadium was much smaller.

A lot of clubs played in stadium's whose capacity was never officially tested.
Hmm, not sure if this is true. United averaged higher pre-Munich than post Munich until the 1990's bar the 1967-68 league winning season.

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

As an example 1948 54,890 average 2nd top behind Arsenal by 2 people!

Man City were 7th.

Indeed a challenge can be had to find a year City averaged more than United.

When were City the biggest club in town. I await to be enlightened!

More here: http://therepublikofmancunia.com/sta...e-premiership/

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Old May 18th, 2011, 05:27 PM   #1780
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Indeed after the Munich crash, attendances plummeted, so the `truth' about fans supporting United because of Munich does not stand true when the subject was at it''s rawest.

Only seeing Best, Law, Charlton got the average higher, once, than it was just after the war.

Munich being the cause of our high attendances thus being an urban myth.
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