Mumbai (BOM) | Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport

[rutvij]

Here is some interesting Info on the ATC Tower:


Paint chosen for new ATC tower to last 15 yrs: Experts

The new Air Traffic Control (ATC) tower near Mumbai airport, which is expected to start functioning by December, will be painted with a unique paint that is guaranteed to last for 15 years.

According to the experts with knowledge of the new ATC construction, the structure is expected to face a lot of wear and tear over a period of time and needs to be maintained well. “Therefore, a special colour is being used to paint it; this will last for at least 15 years,” an airport official said.

The tower, which is expected to be around 91-metre high with a bird’s eye view of the city, is meant to keep a close watch on the movement of aircraft. The ground controllers on the ATC tower are to provide directions and information on weather, prevent collisions and maintain smooth flow of air traffic among other functions.

Another important feature of the tower will be the huge glasses that are to be fitted on the tower’s windscreen. Officials say that glasses of such sizes and durability are not available in India at present and therefore, the ones to be used were imported from China.

Sources say that there are plans in order to deck up the tower with aesthetic lighting as well to make it attractive for the visitors coming to the airport.

Link to the Report

, especially on the BIG Glass panels and the Lighting.

[Coolguyz]

OT, the creature which inspired the CSIA logo,one of them actually resides in the city, in JVPD

[seqroger]

Woh...I thought u couldn't keep the national bird as a pet! Cognizable Offence.

[KB335ci2]

Originally Posted by MT84

Where is the space ? there are metro, SEAR and skywalks arround the area.. how is this possible?
@KB could you plz confirm ?

Nothing's impossible, MT. The good people from podcars made a few presentations, and as far as I'm aware, nothing's been set in stone yet.

[MT84]

Originally Posted by KB335ci2

Nothing's impossible, MT. The good people from podcars made a few presentations, and as far as I'm aware, nothing's been set in stone yet.

Alright, if they have made few presentations, then its in initial advance stage. Hopefully will get some more details soon... I.e. how n where.....

[KB335ci2]

Originally Posted by MT84

Alright, if they have made few presentations, then its in initial advance stage. Hopefully will get some more details soon... I.e. how n where.....

We already know that the PRT car shown in the image is at Terminal 5, Heathrow. It works, and BAA are taking it seriously enough to have a Head of PRT, so you never know.

[sammyk]

Those pods look like something out of Logan's Run.

[bhargavsura]

Originally Posted by KB335ci2

Nothing's impossible, MT. The good people from podcars made a few presentations, and as far as I'm aware, nothing's been set in stone yet.

Second that attitude. Nothing's impossible.

[rutvij]

Originally Posted by bhargavsura

Second that attitude. Nothing's impossible.

While the Pod Car system might work well, the first priority should be to relocate Slums, and clear the Airport periphery, enabling a FULL SE Pier, increased capacity and somewhat lesser Security Risk. Afterwards, integration with Metro III should be the priority. Followed by extension of Metro III to join suburban Central Rail line at Kanjurmarg or Vikhroli. I'm sure GVK knows what DIAL is going through now, and it better analyze the pros and cons!

[MT84]

+ 11111

[Yako1]

Originally Posted by rutvij

While the Pod Car system might work well, the first priority should be to relocate Slums, and clear the Airport periphery, enabling a FULL SE Pier, increased capacity and somewhat lesser Security Risk. Afterwards, integration with Metro III should be the priority. Followed by extension of Metro III to join suburban Central Rail line at Kanjurmarg or Vikhroli. I'm sure GVK knows what DIAL is going through now, and it better analyze the pros and cons!

Pods could also be used instead of that skytrain ( or whatever that was called) proposal which was in the news in the mid 00's.. or it should definitely be used in the Navi Mumbai airport?

[pkalein]

connect pods to eastern suburbs and extend SEAR to Vikhroli it will give huge boost to development in eastern bombay

[KB335ci2]

Originally Posted by pkalein

extend SEAR to Vikhroli it will give huge boost to development in eastern bombay

That was the plan initially, but was later scrapped due to land acquisition issues.

[Indiadreams]

Originally Posted by rutvij

While the Pod Car system might work well, the first priority should be to relocate Slums, and clear the Airport periphery, enabling a FULL SE Pier, increased capacity and somewhat lesser Security Risk. Afterwards, integration with Metro III should be the priority. Followed by extension of Metro III to join suburban Central Rail line at Kanjurmarg or Vikhroli. I'm sure GVK knows what DIAL is going through now, and it better analyze the pros and cons!

It looked GVK was bit aggressive in bidding as it shares ~39% of revenues to AAI inspite of very limited land for city side development and terminal expansion (and hence limited revenues from non-aeronautical segments like retail and F&B).

But, what helped GVK was a stepwise execution so that it checks the profitability at each stage (however it is not great for the city). Though the terminal is not yet ready,a significant proportion of redevlopment cost is already capitalised (T1 and T2 renovations, T1C construction, airside developments and little bit of city side infrastructure).

MIAls' revenues grew at a healthy rate of around 10-15%, almost same as the other 3 PPP metro airports although the traffic growth is constrained due to capacity issues. MIAL's revenue increased 11% in 2011-12, though traffic grew around 7-8. This is inspite of the fact that MIAL is yet to realise full scale revenues from city side development and non-aeronautical revnues in the new terminal.

http://www.gvk.com/files/pressreleas...6a2e6e154b.pdf

DIAL's revneus is available in the economic assessment report posted in DIAL thread and both DIAL and MIAL have reveneus in the same range for the last 2-3years.

I believe, GVK is taking congnizance of the situation in other PPP airports. At the same time, it has the comfort of step wise execution, which gives it decent return atleast until now and is expected to continue so in the near future given the premium traffic it handles.

[skydrill]

are most of the members here in ssc in civil engineering or architectural designing??? just asking........

[Prawnsp123]

Originally Posted by rutvij

While the Pod Car system might work well, the first priority should be to relocate Slums, and clear the Airport periphery, enabling a FULL SE Pier, increased capacity and somewhat lesser Security Risk. Afterwards, integration with Metro III should be the priority. Followed by extension of Metro III to join suburban Central Rail line at Kanjurmarg or Vikhroli. I'm sure GVK knows what DIAL is going through now, and it better analyze the pros and cons!

Me second to the same thought...

[rutvij]

Originally Posted by Indiadreams

It looked GVK was bit aggressive in bidding as it shares ~39% of revenues to AAI inspite of very limited land for city side development and terminal expansion (and hence limited revenues from non-aeronautical segments like retail and F&B).

But, what helped GVK was a stepwise execution so that it checks the profitability at each stage (however it is not great for the city). Though the terminal is not yet ready,a significant proportion of redevlopment cost is already capitalised (T1 and T2 renovations, T1C construction, airside developments and little bit of city side infrastructure).

MIAls' revenues grew at a healthy rate of around 10-15%, almost same as the other 3 PPP metro airports although the traffic growth is constrained due to capacity issues. MIAL's revenue increased 11% in 2011-12, though traffic grew around 7-8. This is inspite of the fact that MIAL is yet to realise full scale revenues from city side development and non-aeronautical revnues in the new terminal.

http://www.gvk.com/files/pressreleas...6a2e6e154b.pdf

DIAL's revneus is available in the economic assessment report posted in DIAL thread and both DIAL and MIAL have reveneus in the same range for the last 2-3years.

I believe, GVK is taking congnizance of the situation in other PPP airports. At the same time, it has the comfort of step wise execution, which gives it decent return atleast until now and is expected to continue so in the near future given the premium traffic it handles.

Good to hear that, knowing that they invested magnanimously for Improvements that had a shelf life of just 5-7 years. Once they have the New Terminal up and running with its bells and whistles (read: Non-Aero Revenues), and given the fact that CSIA gets pretty good Premium (F/C/J) Traffic as well as relatively high amount of Y Pax with disposable incomes, thats bound to improve a lot. I cited GMR DEL's examples only to bring to attention the Recovery hassles, and subsequent burden on Finances and Operations.

And regarding the Capacity constraints, I highly doubt how come they have arrived at the standard 32 - 36 Aircraft Activity per hour mark and subsequent CAP on slots! The number could be valid on certain days (weekends) and certain Peak hours (0500 - 0900 & 1700 to 2200). But otherwise, during various spot sessions, I have seen the Runway unused for as long as 20 minutes at varied times of the day. I hope its not capacity denied, as against Capacity asked for and possible to handle.

[rutvij]

Originally Posted by pkalein

connect pods to eastern suburbs and extend SEAR to Vikhroli it will give huge boost to development in eastern bombay

On second thoughts, if Metro III were to be extended to Eastern Suburban Train stations, wonder if there will be many Actual Airport bound Pax (with heavy luggage) using it. It is bound to be crowded with E-W pax from both suburbs, and that could deter pax from using it to the Airport. Subsequently, all that Traffic might fall back on Andheri-Ghatkopar or Andheri-Kurla Road.

Conversely, if the line were to terminate at CSIA International Airport itself (and not go onwards to MIDC/Chakala), Pax from South Mumbai would definitely use it, but the burden might increase on the Metro Operators, and the Metro itself would not serve the entire purpose. Similar might be the case if a whole and sole line is constructed from Vikroli (say) to the Airport Terminals.

While Option 1 is somewhat dependent on Crowds in Line III, given the larger benefits of Option 1, Metro Lines should be preferred to bring Flyers as close as possible to the Airport Area, after which Pods/Sky Trains could fill in the 'last-few hundred metres' gaps! And I think this is Mantra world over.

[myspacebardontwork]

Originally Posted by Coolguyz

OT, the creature which inspired the CSIA logo,one of them actually resides in the city, in JVPD

Stalker!

[MT84]

Originally Posted by KB335ci2

We already know that the PRT car shown in the image is at Terminal 5, Heathrow. It works, and BAA are taking it seriously enough to have a Head of PRT, so you never know.

No doubt its good option, i have used the T5 pod cars @ heathrow.... they work very well.....

but below is my query...

@T5 image


If you see the pod car line (blue colour) is elevated but the road are at the ground level... only when its about the enter the terminal it goes below the ram... but this ram was designed keeping pod car line in the planning....

but in T2 mumbai


if you see that only the green line drawn are the roads without any other elevated bridge i.e. SEAR or Metro.... and the red (metro) & blue (SEAR) where there is no option to get the pod cars elevated..... and to add they have not plan for this initially and most of the construction for elevated road are done.... so any change is not possible i guess isn't it...

So how are they going to do this... go over the current elevated road or under and will that be a good option to do.... and where will it connect to... like at heathrow they connect to car park... there isn't any such point near T2 Mumbai...

lets see if we can get the presentation which they made to MIAL.....