Baskerville House - Page 2

CargoHold · June 14th, 2006, 10:22 PM

The model, crap shots i admit but the best i could manage through the perspex casing.

blahblah · June 14th, 2006, 10:27 PM

^

I want that one....

***woodhousen*** · June 14th, 2006, 11:07 PM

me too...i mean even if they fully completed baskerville house, it would sti;; be a specticle!!!!!

Smileyface · June 14th, 2006, 11:15 PM

Wow!!

Rigadon · June 14th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Looks a bit Bertie Speer to me.

brumthom · June 14th, 2006, 11:39 PM

yes. ive seen that. started me off on a rant. a non swearing rant because there were children near by. it left me most unsatisfied.

having said that, it reminds me a little of north korea. maybe it's just me

Martin G · June 14th, 2006, 11:58 PM

That of course was the famed 1930s proposals for a Grand Civic Centre Complex that was sadly curtailed after Baskerville House due to a combination of high costs and the usual post-war malaise that questioned the economics of grand inner city planning schemes such as this...we all know that by that point (post 1945) Birmingham had set its sights on one saviour and one saviour only: glass and concrete, so the rest of the Grand Civic Centre proposals were quickly abandoned. More's the pity. I mean, look at the scale of some of those buildings - they look almost Stalinesque in proportions and stateliness!

Compare this with a similarly ambitious one Liverpool had for the Pier Head and the area around St George's Gardens that too was ditched after WW2.

It would have been utterly fantastic if this had actually gone ahead though - but then as ever, Brummies are always left lamenting on what could have been.

Martin G · June 15th, 2006, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonTheSoundMan

They should give all the concrete in Brum a touch of paint.

Library would be a good start, followed by New Street station.

Don't worry about New Street mate, it's been accounted for - as we all know, they're spending £500 MILLION on the biggest lick of paint you can imagine.

The Concerned Potato · June 15th, 2006, 12:04 AM

OMFG!

Smileyface · June 15th, 2006, 12:06 AM

Trust Birmingham to have an exhibition of "what could have been!" instead of "what will be."

The Concerned Potato · June 15th, 2006, 12:07 AM

they should make plans to build this somehwhere in the city now!

it wudda been a fantastic landmark, what a great shame

Martin G · June 15th, 2006, 12:10 AM

I know - pathetic innit? Sums up the whole last 25 years of the city in one fell swoop.

I said in another thread that the City council should seriously consider doing away with the old "Forward" motto cos it's so fucking laughably inaccurate and adopt the new one like this:

BIRMINGHAM
City of 1000 Wasted Opportunities

Engels · June 15th, 2006, 02:40 AM

I bet the traffic would've been better up Broad st if that had been built.. we'd've been spared the ICC's Broad st side too. No Hyatt tho.

I wonder how well it would've backed onto the canal?

Nacho · June 15th, 2006, 09:20 AM

Thanks for the photo.I like the column.....but I'm not too keen on this type of stuff in general.

morestoreysplease · June 15th, 2006, 10:37 AM

The only place they could try to create anything like this would be on the surface carpark next door and the multi-storey carpark to the rear. I wouldn't mind replacing that laughable flame of hope with something, maybe the column with Mike Whitby stuck on the top...no really.

FLD · June 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM

It's a bit like what Cardiff achieved in the 1950's. It would've given Birmingham a fantastic central focal point. It was actually the Second World War that halted the completion of this scheme, the country became almost bankrupt because of the 'war effort'.

Martin G · June 15th, 2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FLD

It's a bit like what Cardiff achieved in the 1950's. It would've given Birmingham a fantastic central focal point. It was actually the Second World War that halted the completion of this scheme, the country became almost bankrupt because of the 'war effort'.

That's pretty much what I said already in one of the posts above!

After WW2, Brum had a complete rethink as to how to go about rebuilding the city and it appears that large stately classical-style buildings were most decidedly NOT on the agenda but ringways and concrete towers WERE. Enter a certain city engineer by the name of Mr. Manzoni - who was one of the guys responsible for bringing about arguably the most radical transformation of any British city centre at the time bar Coventry.

Biosonic · June 15th, 2006, 05:47 PM

Well, I'll give the city fathers something - they certainly were radical.

Pity it didn't work

Martin G · June 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM

I've just found an old article from the Guardian about Birmingham that I posted up a moment ago and in it the writer goes on about Manzoni and how even back then he already embarked on a mission to design buildings for Birmingham that would only have a limited shelf life. It's fascinating to realise just how much of this has indeed become a self fulfilling prophecy after all.

Maybe Orion's shelf life could be just that little bit shorter?

CargoHold · June 15th, 2006, 08:54 PM

Mr Manzoni - the gentleman whom the Manzoni Gardens along side the Bull Ring were named after. And blow me down ... i've got a picture of where he lived.

At the junction of Wake Green Road and Yardley Wood Road, Moseley.

Shame someone has hacked off the bay windows

June 14th, 2006, 11:07 PM	#23
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June 14th, 2006, 11:58 PM	#27
Martin G Compulsive : Obsessive Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GET TO FUCK, WHY DON'T YOU? Posts: 7,325 Likes (Received): 40	That of course was the famed 1930s proposals for a Grand Civic Centre Complex that was sadly curtailed after Baskerville House due to a combination of high costs and the usual post-war malaise that questioned the economics of grand inner city planning schemes such as this...we all know that by that point (post 1945) Birmingham had set its sights on one saviour and one saviour only: glass and concrete, so the rest of the Grand Civic Centre proposals were quickly abandoned. More's the pity. I mean, look at the scale of some of those buildings - they look almost Stalinesque in proportions and stateliness! Compare this with a similarly ambitious one Liverpool had for the Pier Head and the area around St George's Gardens that too was ditched after WW2. It would have been utterly fantastic if this had actually gone ahead though - but then as ever, Brummies are always left lamenting on what could have been. __________________ 147 metres: so is this the height of Birmingham's ambitions? The city surely deserves better. Arena Central / Arena Square / V Building The incredible shrinking tower: 245m --> 187m --> 175m --> 152m --> 150m --> 147m --> 143m --> ???m

June 15th, 2006, 12:10 AM	#32
Martin G Compulsive : Obsessive Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GET TO FUCK, WHY DON'T YOU? Posts: 7,325 Likes (Received): 40	I know - pathetic innit? Sums up the whole last 25 years of the city in one fell swoop. I said in another thread that the City council should seriously consider doing away with the old "Forward" motto cos it's so fucking laughably inaccurate and adopt the new one like this: BIRMINGHAM City of 1000 Wasted Opportunities __________________ 147 metres: so is this the height of Birmingham's ambitions? The city surely deserves better. Arena Central / Arena Square / V Building The incredible shrinking tower: 245m --> 187m --> 175m --> 152m --> 150m --> 147m --> 143m --> ???m

June 15th, 2006, 02:40 AM	#33
Engels Simples Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 4,095 Likes (Received): 7	I bet the traffic would've been better up Broad st if that had been built.. we'd've been spared the ICC's Broad st side too. No Hyatt tho. I wonder how well it would've backed onto the canal? __________________ You were born poor, naked and helpless. Everything in your life was given to you, the food you ate, the clothes you wore, the shelter you received. Most importantly of all you received an education. You were given this because people loved you, because people you never knew worked to feed you and long before you were born people died to protect you and to give you the opportunities they never had. Life doesn't owe you anything! YOU owe life!

June 15th, 2006, 10:37 AM	#35
morestoreysplease Brummie Angeleno Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Birmingham UK, Los Angeles CA Posts: 6,646 Likes (Received): 19	The only place they could try to create anything like this would be on the surface carpark next door and the multi-storey carpark to the rear. I wouldn't mind replacing that laughable flame of hope with something, maybe the column with Mike Whitby stuck on the top...no really. __________________ Birmingham - TheBigCityPlan.

June 14th, 2006, 10:22 PM	#21
CargoHold Ow'amya ? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 486 Likes (Received): 0	The model, crap shots i admit but the best i could manage through the perspex casing.

June 14th, 2006, 10:27 PM	#22
blahblah Change is Here! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greater Birmingham Posts: 3,714 Likes (Received): 0	^ I want that one....

June 14th, 2006, 11:15 PM	#24
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June 14th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#25
Rigadon ISAO OKANO Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Illshaw Heath Posts: 4,564 Likes (Received): 10	Looks a bit Bertie Speer to me.

June 14th, 2006, 11:39 PM	#26
brumthom Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 431 Likes (Received): 0	yes. ive seen that. started me off on a rant. a non swearing rant because there were children near by. it left me most unsatisfied. having said that, it reminds me a little of north korea. maybe it's just me

June 15th, 2006, 12:04 AM	#29
The Concerned Potato Desperate for a Wii Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 430 Likes (Received): 0	OMFG!

June 15th, 2006, 12:06 AM	#30
Smileyface BAND AID Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: back in Walsall.... Posts: 4,505 Likes (Received): 0	Trust Birmingham to have an exhibition of "what could have been!" instead of "what will be."

June 15th, 2006, 12:07 AM	#31
The Concerned Potato Desperate for a Wii Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 430 Likes (Received): 0	they should make plans to build this somehwhere in the city now! it wudda been a fantastic landmark, what a great shame

June 15th, 2006, 09:20 AM	#34
Nacho Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,674 Likes (Received): 5	Thanks for the photo.I like the column.....but I'm not too keen on this type of stuff in general.

June 15th, 2006, 03:04 PM	#36
FLD Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,726 Likes (Received): 0	It's a bit like what Cardiff achieved in the 1950's. It would've given Birmingham a fantastic central focal point. It was actually the Second World War that halted the completion of this scheme, the country became almost bankrupt because of the 'war effort'.

June 15th, 2006, 05:47 PM	#38
Biosonic Second Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 14,320 Likes (Received): 2	Well, I'll give the city fathers something - they certainly were radical. Pity it didn't work __________________ Birmingham.Brilliance

June 15th, 2006, 06:05 PM	#39
Martin G Compulsive : Obsessive Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GET TO FUCK, WHY DON'T YOU? Posts: 7,325 Likes (Received): 40	I've just found an old article from the Guardian about Birmingham that I posted up a moment ago and in it the writer goes on about Manzoni and how even back then he already embarked on a mission to design buildings for Birmingham that would only have a limited shelf life. It's fascinating to realise just how much of this has indeed become a self fulfilling prophecy after all. Maybe Orion's shelf life could be just that little bit shorter? __________________ 147 metres: so is this the height of Birmingham's ambitions? The city surely deserves better. Arena Central / Arena Square / V Building The incredible shrinking tower: 245m --> 187m --> 175m --> 152m --> 150m --> 147m --> 143m --> ???m

June 15th, 2006, 08:54 PM	#40
CargoHold Ow'amya ? Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 486 Likes (Received): 0	Mr Manzoni - the gentleman whom the Manzoni Gardens along side the Bull Ring were named after. And blow me down ... i've got a picture of where he lived. At the junction of Wake Green Road and Yardley Wood Road, Moseley. Shame someone has hacked off the bay windows

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