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Old July 9th, 2006, 04:57 AM   #81
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Clanstvo u EU podrazumjeva ulazak u "schengen" po defaultu. Dio schengenskih standarda mora biti vec unaprijed ispunjen jer izmedju ostaloga to je i zacrtano u poglavlju pravne stecevine EU o protoku ljudi, roba i kapitala. Eh sad, to kaj neposredno nakon ulaska u EU se novim clanicama ne prepusta "cuvanje" vanjskih EU granica, to je vec druga prica. Treba proci nekoliko godina zbog procesa totalne prilagodbe/uhodanosti i uz to treba steci povjerenje gazde iz Brussela, jer "cuvanje" granica EU zahtijeva veliku odgovornost i disciplinu.

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Old July 9th, 2006, 11:07 AM   #82
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hajde ti provjeri to sa schengen, jer jednostavno nije tacno, nijedna drzava koja je usla u EU od odvih novih nije u schengenu
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^ Itekako jesu u "schengenu"; jer su potpisnice istoimenog sporazuma.

Prepustanje odgovornosti cuvanja vanjske EU granice im se povjerava nakon implementacije SIS-a (Schengen Information System) sto traje nekoliko godina.

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NEDŽAD BRANKOVIĆ UNIŠTAVA DOMAĆE GRADJEVINARE

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Građevinske tvrtke iz Federacije pomirile su se s činjenicom da neće moći sudjelovati na tenderu za dobivanje posla na gradnji Sarajevske zaobilaznice, ali upozoravaju federalnu Vladu da će poduzeti radikalne mjere ako ne budu mogli ravnopravno sudjelovati na tenderu za gradnju autoceste koridor Vc. Vlada je za gradnju Sarajevske zaobilaznice sklopila ugovor za dobivanje kredita Europske banke za razvoj (EBRD) čiji kriteriji su tako oštri da ih nijedna naša domaća građevinska tvrtka neće moći ispuniti jer se traži da tvrtke u posljednjih pet godina imaju financijsku realizaciju u iznosu od milijardu maraka, što nijedna u ovom trenutku nema.

Dobili najpovoljniji kredit

Radi se o uvjetima banke koji su standardni za 27 zemalja s kojima banka posluje. Ministar za promet i veze Federacije Nedžad Branković ističe da je Vlada morala pristati na ove uvjete jer da nije, kredit nikada ne bi ni dobila. “I osim njihovih kriterija, uspjeli smo dobiti najpovoljniji kredit od svih 27 zemalja s kojima EBRD posluje. Najvažnije je da smo radove na izgradnji Sarajevske zaobilaznice podijelili na tri paketa ugovora čija je projektantska procjena troškova građenja po LOT-ima 49,5, 40 i 15 milijuna eura», ističe Branković. Međutim, predsjednica Grupacije građevinara pri Udruženju poslodavaca BiH Silva Marić optužuje ministra da su pregovori s EBRD-om loše vođeni i da je on zajedno s pregovaračkim timom najodgovorniji za sklapanje ugovora koji će omogućiti da posao dobiju međunarodne građevinske tvrtke dok će domaće biti njihovi robovi. “Ne slažem se da je ovo najbolje rješenje koje je naš tim izvojevao. Upornošću i dobrim pregovaračima može se izaći na kraj s međunarodnim financijskim institucijama. Ne želimo skupljati mrvice jer to neće poboljšati domaći građevinski sektor”, ističe Marićeva.

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Predsjednik Ekonomsko-socijalnog vijeća Federacije Božidar Matić ističe da za ugovor koji je Vlada Federacije potpisala s EBRD-om nema lijeka. “O tome se trebalo voditi računa prije potpisivanja ugovora. Najveća pogreška je u tome što je Vlada pokušavala pregovarati s EBRD-om tek nakon što je s njima potpisala ugovor. Smatram da se moglo učiniti puno više da se na vrijeme počelo pregovarati», kaže Matić. Marićeva upozorava Vladu Federacije i ministra Brankovića da ne smije dopustiti da i jedan drugi projekt u budućnosti doživi ovakvu sudbinu. “Građevinske tvrtke se u budućnosti moraju konzultirati jer ne želimo doći u situaciju da izgubimo posao na koridoru Vc”, kaže ona. Zbog silnih optužbi, ministar je zatražio od Marićeve da mu građevinari dostave svoje standardne zahtjeve koji će biti njegova zvijezda vodilja prilikom budućih pregovora s međunarodnim financijskim institucijama. Zaista je šteta što o tome nije razmišljao prije nego je postao grobar domaćih građevinskih tvrtki.
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ma nisu u schengenu, provjeri, to ti je 100% sigurno
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^ Itekako jesu u "schengenu"; jer su potpisnice istoimenog sporazuma.

Prepustanje odgovornosti cuvanja vanjske EU granice im se povjerava nakon implementacije SIS-a (Schengen Information System) sto traje nekoliko godina.

*The new member states have signed the agreement, but have not implemented it yet. This will happen in October of 2007. Thus freedom of movement of persons is not fully in place for nms and there are still internal border controls.
*SIS is just one part of the agreement and it's used by only 15 countries now.
*The UK and Ireland have never signed the agreement, so being a member of the EU doesn't mean being part of the Schengen area by default. Entering the EU (as of Treaty of Amsterdam) on the other hand, does.

@BL: Dubrovnik 'enclave' is really a minor problem, if a problem at all. A bigger issue for Croatia are it's huge borders. In the future, the lifting of border controls will largely depend on Croatia's ability to guard these borders and to implement the SIS 2.

What a dumb ass thread, by the way.

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eto vidis covjek lijepo napisao
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Old July 10th, 2006, 05:41 AM   #88
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Pa covjek je samo potvrdio ono kaj sam ja napisao

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I just love you guys...

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"*The new member states have signed the agreement, but have not implemented it yet. This will happen in October of 2007."
pa tek ce biti implementiran u okt. 2007
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the question is why did sanader have to consider building a bridge in the first place???? what short memories we have....pardon the expression but this highway must be a two way highway.
getting back to the topic.....i am dumbfounded that a "bosniak" could not answer this question....or is it too hard....or is it that you know the truth and the truth hurts....

so many questions but not may answers, or is it better to stay silent?

you tell me
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why bosniak?
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"*The new member states have signed the agreement, but have not implemented it yet. This will happen in October of 2007."
pa tek ce biti implementiran u okt. 2007
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Itekako jesu u "schengenu"; jer su potpisnice istoimenog sporazuma.

Prepustanje odgovornosti cuvanja vanjske EU granice im se povjerava nakon implementacije SIS-a (Schengen Information System) sto traje nekoliko godina.

I cemu je razlika?

Osim toga, kao kaj svi znamo sve istocno europske zemlje koje su usle u EU ogranicen im je rad u vecini starih clanica (EU15) na nekoliko godina, a opet sve su clanice EU. Kuzis?

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getting back to the topic.....i am dumbfounded that a "bosniak" could not answer this question....or is it too hard....or is it that you know the truth and the truth hurts....

so many questions but not may answers, or is it better to stay silent?

you tell me
Dumb questions tend to be ignored for the sake of communal peace. we dont wish to upset our "croat" friends.
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Vladi ćemo za desetak dana predložiti model privatizacije telekoma

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Osnovni cilj je da dobiveni novac od prodaje državnog kapitala u telekomima bude usmjeren u strateške projekte, poput gradnje autoputeva, kaže resorni ministar

Federalno ministarstvo prometa i komunikacija u zadatom roku od 15 dana Vladi FBiH dostavit će elaborat politike privatizacije "BH Telecoma" i "HT-a Mostar", gdje ćemo definirati ciljeve i moguće metodologije, te predložiti odluke o prodaji državnog kapitala u tim operatorima, izjavio je za "Dnevni avaz" ministar prometa i komunikacija Nedžad Branković.

Predvečerje izbora

Kao što je poznato, 15-dnevni rok njegovom ministarstvu i Agenciji za privatizaciju FBiH (APF) Vlada je dala na sjednici prošlog četvrtka kada se opredijelila za hitni ulazak u proces privatizacije federalnih telekoma.
- Odluke Vlade RS o prodaji "Telekoma Srpske" dinamički su ubrzale naš proces. Međutim, mi već dosta toga imamo pripremljeno i tender se može relativno brzo uraditi, ali Vlada se mora opredijeliti za model privatizacije. Mi ćemo ponuditi nekoliko modela i onaj koji Vlada bude prihvatila bit će konačan - kazao je Branković.
Očekuje da Vladinu odluku podrži i Parlament FBiH, ali o tome ne može preciznije govoriti zbog, kako kaže, "predvečerja izbora koji vjerovatno nose novu strukturu Parlamenta".
No, potcrtao je da će sve biti provedeno onako kako zakoni nalažu, te istakao i da je Vlada već definirala osnovni cilj, a to je da dobiveni novac od prodaje državnog kapitala u telekomima bude usmjeren u razvojne i strateške projekte.

Šansa građevinarima

- To podrazumijeva i autoput na koridoru 5C, i magistralni put Sarajevo - Tuzla, i brze ceste Lašva - Vitez - Travnik - Donji Vakuf, Tuzla - Orašje, Mostar - Stolac - Neum, Sarajevo - Goražde i niz drugih. Sve su to infrastrukturne potrebe koje ne možemo realizirati čekajući koncesionare i kreditore, nego ih moramo rješavati vlastitim sredstvima - rekao je Branković.
Premanjegovim riječima, ova količina vlastitog novca značila bi i novu šansu domaćim građevinarima.

M. KUKAN

Dominantnost "BH Telecoma"

Potvrđujući da su ekspertize pokazale da bi vrijednost federalnih operatora opala u slučaju da RS prva privatizira svoj telekom, resorni ministar je napomenuo i dominantnost "BH Telecoma", koji sada kontrolira 54 posto tržišta telekomunikacija u BiH.
- Ukoliko bi neki strani partner privatizirao "Telekom Srpske", to bi značilo da za njih više ne važe Zakon o javnim nabavkama, Zakon o javnim preduzećima i drugi akti koji važe za državne operatore. Ti zakoni u dobroj mjeri usporavaju efikasnost upravljanja i odlučivanja, posebno u oblasti marketinga i investicija, jer u telekomu oprema tehnološki zastari za nekoliko godina - rekao je Branković.
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I cemu je razlika?

Osim toga, kao kaj svi znamo sve istocno europske zemlje koje su usle u EU ogranicen im je rad u vecini starih clanica (EU15) na nekoliko godina, a opet sve su clanice EU. Kuzis?

razlika je ako hrvatska udje, podvalcim ako, 2009god u EU, najranije kad bi se mogao primjenjivati schengen je po ovom modelu 2014, nadam se da ce u tom periodu i nesretna bih napredovati.
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Dumb questions tend to be ignored for the sake of communal peace. we dont wish to upset our "croat" friends.
what is so dumb about it...i think the answer will solve a lot of questions.

you surely must know what the basic law of physics is....for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
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you push and we push back perfect example
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razlika je ako hrvatska udje, podvalcim ako, 2009god u EU, najranije kad bi se mogao primjenjivati schengen je po ovom modelu 2014, nadam se da ce u tom periodu i nesretna bih napredovati.
nebi se slozio s tobom.. u biti su 3 godine pridvidjene za to, znaci 2012. No naravno, sve ovisi o zdogovoru i o provedenom stanju na terenu! Optimisticki gledano bi Bosna mogla 2015 uci u EU. Jedan od tih preduvjeta da bi Bosna to uspjela, no veoma vazan, je bio novi ustav. No posto se politicka elita u Bosni oko toga nije mogla sloziti - a bojim se da ce se ikako sloziti - i da ne nabrajam dalje.. realan datum za ulazak u EU ti je +/- 2020. Nebi zelio da me se pogresno shvati, sacekajmo ovu i iducu godinu kako ce se razviti stanje u regiji. S tim mislim na Bosnu, Srbiju i Kosovu. Za sada je jednostavno pre uranjeno baratati s bilo kojim datumima...

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congratulations you have passed physics 101....
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