Questions About Iran #3.5

[persian]

Well said.

[abii]

I personally don't think 80 mln is too much for Iran. I do think it's too much with the current situation however (regime, sanctions etc...).

So I agree with a lot of the things you say Soroush, but not with the "more space" comment etc... We have a big country, enough resources (if managed properly) and also a need to compete with our neighbors and the world. Remember something, without a big population (at least 80 million) you can't have a good manufacturing economy (the manufacturers need the home market to support them and you also need a good size population to have workers, ideas, cheap labour etc...). All of this is irrelevant of course as long as we have this regime so I agree that our lives would have been better if we had a smaller pop'n today. But in general I think our pop'n is just about right.

[purearch72]

Anyone have sources showing mayor or Tehran and Vice President is Kurdish?

[TEHR_IR]

Originally Posted by purearch72

Anyone have sources showing mayor or Tehran and Vice President is Kurdish?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad-Reza_Rahimi

all his info.

[peykantm]

Originally Posted by purearch72

Anyone have sources showing mayor or Tehran and Vice President is Kurdish?

Ghalibaf - Kurdish father - Persian mother:

http://www.citymayors.com/mayors/tehran-mayor.html

[lykia]

as far as i know there is huge caspian seawater desalination project , some of the caspian states oppose the idea what is the latest news about the project ,when is it going to be implemented

[abii]

Originally Posted by lykia

as far as i know there is huge caspian seawater desalination project , some of the caspian states oppose the idea what is the latest news about the project ,when is it going to be implemented

Caspian states can go suck it

As far as news, we have to wait till they decide they feel like updating the public. That's the thing with govt projects in a dictatorship. Not only they don't have any shareholders to please, they also don't need to update the public until they feel like it

Maybe I'm wrong though and there's a website for it somewhere, but since the start of the project I haven't seen any new pics.

[asterix1]

Hi iranians, i have a question:
Is the continuation of the regime a good thing or bad for Iran, in the following contexts,

1. In terms of the country's foreign policy and its growing resilience and independence in developing nukes and state of the art technology despite attempts by the west to sabotage it.
2. In terms of everyday life for the average iranian.

[abii]

Originally Posted by asterix1

Hi iranians, i have a question:
Is the continuation of the regime a good thing or bad for Iran, in the following contexts,

1. In terms of the country's foreign policy and its growing resilience and independence in developing nukes and state of the art technology despite attempts by the west to sabotage it.
2. In terms of everyday life for the average iranian.

I wish they were making nukes, b/c at least all the problems we're facing would count for smtg. However these baboons can't even do that right.

On all fronts this regime is nothing but poison. In terms of economy, foreign policy etc... They're fighting a war that 95% of Iranians don't care about. The vast majority actually want friendship with the West.

[asterix1]

Originally Posted by abii

On all fronts this regime is nothing but poison..

In that case, what would you say to the 95% of the muslims(of whichever sect they may belong to) who see Iran's continued defiance of the west in the face of crippling sanctions and trade embargo, as a symbol of strength of the muslims( and hence Islam), and take great pride in it?

[abii]

Originally Posted by asterix1

In that case, what would you say to the 95% of the muslims(of whichever sect they may belong to) who see Iran's continued defiance of the west in the face of crippling sanctions and trade embargo, as a symbol of strength of the muslims( and hence Islam), and take great pride in it?

lmao wut?
I don't even know what to say to this drivel

You're singing the song of the revolutionaries. Perhaps you've been on Press TV? The media of the Soviet Union also "sang" revolutionary "songs," but the people were listening to a different sort of tune. Those 95% have had it up their necks with all this bs. Definace, pfttt... what a joke. Iranians are sufferring for a war that mullahs started and are still fighting. Nobody gives two farts about the palis/Israelis or Velayate Faqih or all the other stupid shit the mullahs care about. As to why they still have power after 32 years, the answer is very simple. Those that are protecting the system are profiting from it and for as long as they can be apart of it all they will sing the revolutionary songs. Iran is being ruled by a gang of morons who have access to 4 million barrells of oil per day and the world's second largest gas reserves.

[asterix1]

Originally Posted by abii

lmao wut?
I don't even know what to say to this drivel

You're singing the song of the revolutionaries. Perhaps you've been on Press TV?

Hey hey, easy there
I said 95% of muslims. Not 95% of iranians. The regime gets quite a lot of support from non-iranian muslims who look upto it for standing up against US, and this is a support base that has only grown after the US invasion of Iraq. But then again, these people dont give a damn about the average iranian and his woes, so i guess its your opinion over theirs.
Btw, neither am i an iranian nor a muslim.

[skyduster]

Hello,

I have a question.

I see that this thread hasn't had any new posts for a few months now. I hope that some of you get to read and answer my question.

Iran is a very old civilization...one of the world's greatest civilizations, and it's a civilization that long predates Islam. I'm curious if, under the current Islamic regime, if Iran's pre-Islamic heritage is neglected by the government, by museums, in schools, universities, and so on. Or if it's appreciated and highly regarded as it was before the 1979 revolution.

Thanks!

[SoroushPersepolisi]

sadly alot of it is neglected and protrayed in a poor, dark manner by the government

in schools and school books, there are many plans to eliminate studies of pre islamic iran

the government tries mostly to implement islamic values and lifestyles upon the people, creating an arabesque feel
alot of the artifacts and sights have been neglected, many pieces stolen and smuggled under the nose of the authorities etc but none of them care
they dont mind iran loosing its pre islamic heritage
they tried to even destroy persepolis, they came with bulldozers, but the local villagers and farmers saved it by fighting against authorities

pre islamic culture also has become in a way, a symbol of freedom (culturally and politically) among the people, so the government really doesnt like it

they even destroy alot of the post islamic era stuff, because alot of the artifacts and structures are more cultural than religious, regardless of it being post or pre islamic, they still carry traditional iranian morals and values that the government is not very happy about

for example, many frescos in romance and baroque periods that show nude women, wine, men and women together dancing etc have been covered and destroyed etc

alot of iran's victorian era architecture has been destroyed etc and replaced with an islamic oriented industrial form of architecture that is rather irrelevant

they sometimes repair old stuff, but mostly its for show, or its done in very un professional methods, like how they repaired cyrus's tomb with fresh concrete and cement, but what they destroy is far superior to what they repair and protect

[skyduster]

Thank you for your answer!

I just read an article that was talking about the bulldozers that were about to demolish Persepolis sometime in the early 80s. Crazy!

But when I look at pictures of Persepolis today, it looks well-maintained. Would you say that the regime's attitude towards pre-Islamic heritage has changed, maybe somewhat, since the revolution? Are there other historical sites that get less attention than Persepolis?

Is there any destruction of historical sites (both pre- and post-Islamic) that still goes on? Or is it just neglected today?

Also, you said that the government is trying to eradicate teaching about pre-Islamic Iran/Persia in schools. So, does that mean that Iranian students do still learn about that era?

Sorry for all the questions, I've just always been curious.

I also have a question on the languages of Iran. Within Iran, are Lorish or Gibaki considered Persian dialects? Or separate languages? I'm curious how ordinary Iranians view this, not academic linguists. Like, for example, the historical dialects of France, Italy, and Germany (which have almost entirely disappeared now) are considered by linguists to have actually been different (but closely related) languages. I'm curious how the situation is in Iran. I know that Azeri is not related to Persian. But Persian, Lorish, etc, are all closely related, and I'm curious if Luri, Gilaki, and Mazanderani are considered separate languages, or if they're considered low-register dialects of Persian (by Iranian society, not by linguists), in the same way that Egyptian Arabic, Levantine Arabic, Moroccan Arabic, etc, are considered low-register dialects of Modern Standard Arabic. And are Luri/Gilaki/Mazanderani disappearing, the same way that dialects in Europe have disappered? Or are they still strong? What about Azeri? Is it considered a low-register language in northwest Iran?

[SoroushPersepolisi]

The attitude is just less radical , now its long term destruction

Perspolis is in terrible shape , every year so many pieces go missing and stolen
There are so many neglected and growing cracks etc

Remember this is a government that dried out iran's largest lake (urumia lake) due to poor planning

They neglect , and in urban areas they destroy

In the shahs palaces , ever time u go u see less things on the walls


Lori is a dialect of persian but gilaki kurdish etc are very close cousin languages to persian , but they all are iranic languages

Gilaki is slowly declinging as are most regional dialects/languages

Azeri turkish is not though because there are over 15 million speakers in iran , sadly none are offialized though, the must be taught and developed

[skyduster]

Thank you again for your answer.

What about in schools? How is Iranian history treated in schools? It's a very long history. How much of an influence has the Islamic Revolution had on the way Iranian history is taught to students in primary school, secondary, and universities?

[SoroushPersepolisi]

No problem

Before the revolution, books in school taught to show pride in NATION , to be proud of iran, of our ancestors, to think freely and respectfully

But today emphasis is on being muslim of being proud of iran as an islamic state

Sadly , they try to decrease the national side and lump our culture and achievments to islam and being muslim

They stuff in prophet muhammad and the emams etc in so many lectures , from literature to sciences and history
.they replace persian poems and important and national pieces with islamic preachings etc

Imagine the vatican takes over italy; they would try to relate everything to the church and jesus and claim anything unrelated to it as dark, useless and evil !

[skyduster]

So, it looks like they under-emphasize pre-Islamic Iran, as well as the secular side of Islamic-era Iran? Is pre-Islamic Iran even brought up in history class?

[wordok]

Originally Posted by skyduster

So, it looks like they under-emphasize pre-Islamic Iran, as well as the secular side of Islamic-era Iran? Is pre-Islamic Iran even brought up in history class?

I do not know what you mean by secularism. Do you mean Christiandom dominated secularism or socialist secularism or communist secularism or etc? But yes, the history is taught of both pre and post Islam. And Iranians are generally acutely aware of their long history and almost everyone knows the extensive Iranian mythology which is so often mixed with history. In fact, I must say, they know much too well. Europeans almost never learn anything in their history classes of pre-Christianity Europe and the whole emphasis is on the post-Christianity Europe. The same goes for US. The pre-Christianity America is taught only as a joke and the emphasis is on post-Christianity America.