#Proposed: Northshore Hamilton - 8st-23st/mixed

[leothelion]

Even with the extra public transport planned, an extra 10,000 people in the area will put KS drive under a sh*t load more pressure which is already a mess during peak hours.... just a thought!!! great development thou:-)

[Danubis]

wont the nstb and the airport link hopefully divert some of the airport bound and northbound traffic?

[Malt]

or all of it.
Ive had to go from Everton Hills -> Airport
and Kelvin Grove -> Airport

For work.. those are both places i live.

Everton is either Rode Rd or Stafford Road -> Junction Rd..

And KG is ICB -> Kingsford smith.

If there was an alternative, no one who goes to the airport would ever ever ever (did i mention ever?) use the old routes again.

Yes. NSBT/Airport Link will DEF ease traffic on KSD

[RUM]

still doesn't negate the point that it needs decent PT. The citycats will be fooked.

[KJBrissy]

That is being planned as mentioned before. City Cat, Train and Bus.

[alchemy]

kj; aussie bhoy seems to think that there will be a fair amount of aircraft noise at this location and he works for airservices australia... i'm no expert in the matter but i reckon this location will be more noisy than the city. and to respond to your statement - no - most apartments these days are *not* double glazed.

i have not seen any concrete plans of a rail extension to this site.. does anybody have them??

airport link will reduce the amount of pressure the airport placed on kingsfordsmith, but it will do nothing to reduce the demand that northshore will place on it.

[KJBrissy]

Good point, I still thought the planes flew straight over the Gateway Bridge though, but I recommend people believe AussieBhoy over me

An idea of the locality. Note itwas said before that there would be regular services to Eagle Farm.

[Malt]

Originally Posted by alchemy

airport link will reduce the amount of pressure the airport placed on kingsfordsmith, but it will do nothing to reduce the demand that northshore will place on it.

I think that taking away the traffic for the airport and replacing it with traffic for northshore will equal out in the end.

[KJBrissy]

But wouldn't many of the Northshore residnts be able to do most of their day at Northshore nagating the need to drive on Kingsford Smith Drive. Also there will be a portion that would use public transport. The total development would hold 10,000 people and I'd imagine that Airport Link would take 20,000 vehicles a day off Kingsford Smith Drive, so I would imagine the road would be better off.

[BrizzyChris]

Originally Posted by alchemy

kj; aussie bhoy seems to think that there will be a fair amount of aircraft noise at this location and he works for airservices australia... i'm no expert in the matter but i reckon this location will be more noisy than the city. and to respond to your statement - no - most apartments these days are *not* double glazed.

i have not seen any concrete plans of a rail extension to this site.. does anybody have them??

airport link will reduce the amount of pressure the airport placed on kingsfordsmith, but it will do nothing to reduce the demand that northshore will place on it.

In the overall masterplan for the site, there is space dedicated for a future station and rail line to the area. There is still the old easements and reservations for the old freight railways that went to the suburb in the past. To upgrade the line and build a station would seriously not cost a lot - maybe $80-$100m? However, the biggest problem is the at-grade crossing of KSG. With the amount of traffic, I would think the rail line would need to be sunk under the road to avoid huge traffic delays.

[RUM]

I don't think QR allow anymore at-grade crossings. They all have to be grade seperated. and they are trying to grade seperate the existing ones. Seriously, this would be a perfect spot for rail to loop back under the river through bulimba - new farm - kangaroo point etc.

[KJBrissy]

Perfect

[bribri]

Is'nt there a city train passenger line to Pinkenba?
Would that line service the area?

[KJBrissy]

That's what line the Eagle Farm station is on. Eagle Farm is the closest station currently to Northshore. Check the map at post 50.

[beastjim]

Originally Posted by http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23977873-952,00.html

Brisbane Airport noise threat to elite estate
Article from: The Courier-Mail

John McCarthy

July 07, 2008 12:00am

AN exclusive new Brisbane neighbourhood could also be the city's noisiest with the planned parallel runway at Brisbane Airport delivering aircraft noise of up to 70 decibels.

According to the Brisbane Airport Corporation the Hamilton Northshore development on the Brisbane River "will experience more noise than probably any other part of residential Brisbane" if the parallel runway is built.

The privately-owned Brisbane Airport Corporation is now flexing its muscle by attempting to manipulate planning and opposing housing developments to protect its business.

Apart from successfully pushing to change Hamilton Northshore's original masterplan, the BAC also recently opposed a $50 million residential development application adjoining the Doomben Racecourse that would have delivered 114 houses onto the market.

The development would have been directly under the flight path of the proposed parallel runway and the BAC said it objected because it didn't want future communities protesting against its operations.

Hamilton Northshore, an 80ha site near Royal Queensland Golf Club, is expected to house more than 10,000 people.

The BAC also pushed for changes to density and height at Hamilton Northshore for much the same reason that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority opposed the high-rise Vision building in Brisbane's CBD.

"We requested reduction in height and density of Hamilton because the development is also on the centreline of the proposed new runway, and will experience more noise than probably any other part of residential Brisbane," a BAC spokesman said.

"We expressed concerns about the safety of the proposed heights, given what we call 'engine out' scenarios, where a departing plane could not be able to achieve altitude, for example.

"We were concerned about the density and its impact on regional roads . . . and that the creation of a community of residents near the airport could in future lead to an increase in complaints about aircraft noise and, worst case, lead to calls for curfews and other operational restrictions that would be bad for the regional economy."

However, the airport is also planning commercial development within its own boundaries.

Hamilton Northshore's Jenny Ryan said noise was an issue at the development and that a passing plane would emit about 70 decibels, equivalent to a busy road, but she said it would be the same in a lot of other suburbs.

There is a 6.4km buffer zone around the airport but the BAC is worried about future breaches.

The way this article and its similar counterpart over on BrisbaneTimes, it seems to be the BAC getting a bit antsy about all this development, which is perhaps a touch strange when you consider the amount of development going on at the Airport and all their plans. However you can see they don't want to end up with a curfew slapped on them like Sydney has so perhaps its understandable.

As for the title of this place being an elite estate, I thought with this being bought underneath the ULDA so therefore this place was going to have at least a few areas of affordable housing, but its the Courier Mail so I will let it slide.

[Orfeo]

^
The BAC have been making private submissions against most developments for years, rarely getting media releases on such topics published, but it seems recently they've decided that publicly denouncing projects is more effective. Unsurprsingly, the Courier Mail seems open to being abused in such a manner. Although the new runway is likely to increase the number of flights over the Northshore zone, the major justification for the particular orientation of the runway is that it should reduce the need to have flights over any populated areas - it's all a bit incongruous from my perspective, but you can't exactly blame a private corporation from wanting it's cake and eating it too.

[alchemy]

i'm sure it'll have some affordable housing in it, but with that much river frontage i'm sure it'll also have plenty of $$$$$$ units

[jellyman]

It only makes sense for the Airport to oppose residential development nearby. Considering how often people build/buy houses near an existing airport and then later complain about the noise....

[brisbanite]

It's like people buying houses next to railway lines then complaining about the noise of the trains. If folk purchase property in Northshore then they should be aware that aircraft noise will be an issue and should have no recourse for it.

[Malt]

maybe theyre complaining publicly, so that when people end up complaining, they can refer to the newspaper articles etc.