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Old May 23rd, 2012, 07:49 PM   #2381
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Old May 24th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #2382
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When do the guys suppose to finish construction? o_O
Its been looking the same like half a year!
Right! I'm afraid it's on hold already That would be bad. Lets hope it's not on hold, but the same thing for over a month already?
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Right! I'm afraid it's on hold already That would be bad. Lets hope it's not on hold, but the same thing for over a month already?
It is growing slowly. Its almost there, and construction wont last forever so enjoy it while it lasts.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 02:50 AM   #2384
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Right! I'm afraid it's on hold already That would be bad. Lets hope it's not on hold, but the same thing for over a month already?
Like I said, they've just started the final setback. The top is nearing its final stretch of construction!
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Old May 24th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #2385
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it is worrying these stories end are smaller and easier to be built, apparently they are building only one or two floors per month
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Old May 25th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #2386
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Recall, to try to understand... :

Original top with an height of 380 m indicated on the advertisement pannel :
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Modified top :
12 instead of 10 levels between the last two slants ? :
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February 28th, 2012, 10:03 PM
And since mr. MyXiN doesn't post anymore on this forum since March 17 (and the end of the competition (1) ), here are his main photos and height indications on the russian forum since then (sorry to go backward !) :

On the photo below, the levels #66 and #67 are numbered on the white square boards. IMO the top of level #72 without its roof is nearly reached by the iron bars top, the level #70 being double (2). If you check on the photo, the 4 levels 65 to 68 measures 3,15 cm, so /4 = average 0.7875 for each, and x9 to reach level #72 = 7.087 cm, corresponding, without the level's roof, to the 6,95 cm of the bars above the "P" on the photo. The difference corresponds to 0.64 m. So I would say around 309.36 m then.

(1) The Shard topped-out 3... days later on March 25 with 309 m : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=23314
So I think that MCT had reached the same... 309 m on March 22, and not the 310.8 m told by mr. MyXiN, that it reached only on April 10, or few days before ! That's just "my opinion". Nevertheless that doesn't change the fact that MCT reached 309 m, and even a bit more, first, JUST 3 days... before the Shard !!

(2) IMPORTANT PS : the boards visible to the extreme right are those due to be below the spire, in front of the projecting triangular pieces of floor, and they have not been risen on the photo of May 21, at the end of this post. So we can see that the roof of the really built level #72 is indeed few decimeters above the iron bars' top on the photo of March 22 below.
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Nearly what God said the same day :
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Brad, ~ 310,8.
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I don't agree with the photo below : mr. MyXiN is in contradiction with the 303.2 m he declared before for the top of double level #70.
At 310 m, I think that we are still then at level #72. But he confirms that the level under construction is the 9th above the last slant :
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68 тоже двойной, или просто так тень падает.
Если 69 этаж двухэтажный, то получается что 1-ую половину 70 этажа только начали возводить.
Below, the concrete blind level corresponding to the first one of double level #70 appears with the rising of the boards. We can notice too that levels #67 and 69 are a bit higher than the average ones #65 and 66 of normally 3.7 m each. That's probably why mr. MyXiN adds some few decimeters from time to time, compared with my calculations on p. 111. We can notice too, as confirmed by the last photo below, that if the levels #67 and #69 are higher than normal, the levels #68 and 70A are lower..., so that they compensate each others and that the double levels #65+66, 67+68 and 69+70A have exactly the same height of 2 normal 3.7 m levels. That confirms that on March 22 the gain of height was minimal and corresponding only to the higher than normal level #71 (see last photo), so only few decimeters and about 36 cm. I'll take in count these differences of heights in the soon updated diagram of p. 111 :
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Увеличение по клику
Below, about 1.5 m of level #73 begins. So it took 23 days to build level #72 since February 28. But very strangely we can't see the roof of level #71 like if level #71 and #72 were a single one ! :
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Now I agree with about 310 m, or even 311 m :
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всё таже, по выпускам арматуры ~ 310 метров (meters).
Below, the new iron bars seem again to correspond to the height of 2 levels at once... if we consider the size of the man. So they should reach a part of level #74... around 317 m ! That could be the structure visible at the end of post 2340 : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2340

PS : but, as I said on the last PS at the end of this post, since the rooves/floors' heights are no more the same on both sides of the tower, that could be as well the summit of a higher level #73 to the right side ! :
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ну я бы не назвал данный этаж типовым А так, думаю, что да. сейчас пойдёт скос
Below, it is not clear if the concrete left angle at level #73 is a core or an internal wall holding the long waited setback of the facade :
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Начали делать парапет



Below, the iron bars of level #73 are added on the right of the tower.

PS : but, as I said on the last PS at the end of this post, since the rooves/floors' heights are no more the same on both sides of the tower, no more than for the upper third and merely 1 m.
WE CAN NOTICE AS WELL that the iron bars, which appeared at the left angle of the tower on March 26 and which were covered with the blue plastic, have been cutted by half... inside level #72, as if they were beginning a 45° cutted angle (like above the first slant of the tower) since, on the other hand, the next pilars are still prolonged until level #73. Unless this is an optical effect and the bars are still there without concrete ! :

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It's getting confusing because mr. MyXiN considers all levels above #70 to be the same storey and speaks now in levels for the entire tower, although he only told before that level #59 and #70 were double ones. So, in the post below, does his "level #75" correspond to the height of level #73 (313.7 m on p. 111) + the second ones of levels #59 and #70 ? But I think that since April 14 the iron bars of level #74 already reached about 317 m. To be verified !!
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этажей (stories) - 70а
Уровней (levels) - 75
Высота - 314,3м
PS : The photo below confirms that, on the other side of the tower, the iron bars reach the top of "my" level #74 (76? for mr. MyXiN), except of course if they build again a high double level for #73..., and that the levels #67, 69, 71 and... 72 are a bit higher than the average ones #65, 66 and 70B of normally 3.7 m each. If some levels are now begun 2 in a row it will be difficult to tell when the first of them is achieved...

ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING is to notice that the roof of level #70B, and consequently all those above it, is lower on the left of the tower (see the zigzag on far left) than on the right of it ! That is why I couldn't see the roof of level #71 on the photo of April 10, since it was just behind the top of the boards. This adds considerably to the confusion since now the photos taken from one or the opposite side of the tower will not show the same rooves' height for a same level !! It is amasing to notice that the pieces of wood on the top far left correspond probably to a part of level #73 on the left side although they seem to be at the same level than the roof of level #72 on the right side ! :
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Old May 25th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #2387
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10 or 12 levels between the last two slants ? :
That was someones joke on the Russian forum and you've taken it seriously?
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Old May 25th, 2012, 12:48 PM   #2388
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So is it going to have a spire or not?
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Old May 25th, 2012, 01:47 PM   #2389
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Dunno, I think there will be some sort of spire, otherwise why would they need this new columns.

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Old May 25th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #2390
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I don't think they'd need support columns for a simple spire, it's more like they are still adding setback floors.
Anyone cares to elaborate on that?
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Old May 25th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #2391
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Well, so far it looks consistent with latest plans and renders that had no spire.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 06:39 PM   #2392
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That was someones joke on the Russian forum and you've taken it seriously?
You mean for the 12 intermediary levels ?
These photos seem to show that the little oblique iron bars are the beginning of the setback :
- at level #74 with 10 levels between the last 2 slants as GoR_Vrn said, if the slant side of the tower rises more quickly than the spire side, as I thought before,
- or, on the contrary and more probably, as early as level #73 with only 9 intermediary levels, when I see the second photo :
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In fact, as the photo of March 31 of mr. MyXiN copied above on post #2386 (or the last one below) shows, the edge of the slant began at half-height of level #57 and will probably too for level #73. So to cover the 2 cutted angle windows and the 4 windows between them on a large side, this last photo shows that you need 6 more levels. But the cutted angle is larger on the spire side so let's take 7 levels instead. With an average height of 3.7 m by level that should make : 318 + (3.7 x 7 = 25.9) = 343.9 m (or 344 m) for the roof of the 80th and last level (without spire) instead of 332 m (+ 12 m).
So it is perhaps now possible to calculate the final date of the concrete works... For example in June 2011 the much larger... 6 levels #57 to 61 were built in 57 days (2 months) with 1 every about 10 days. Right now the temperature is +18° C. But the last 2 levels have needed 3 more time... with 1 month on average for each !

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To this we must probably add the equivalent of 2 more levels for the triangular summit (see photo below with former top) which makes, let's say 351 m. So for 380 m it needs a spire (?) of about 30 m high :




This other photo shows that the iron bars top all around the tower now reach level #74 without its roof at about 318 m, since levels #67, 69, 70A and 72 are few decimeters higher than the average ones of 3.7 m. The roof of level 80 should reach the top of the left branch of the large crane and the summit about the 2 black nodes on the crane wires :
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Old May 28th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #2394
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Following : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2206
Followed by : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2428

BEWARE this post has been updated by my post 2428 of June 30 : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2428

So it gives according notably to mr. MyXiN :

Floor|Date|days|Height |Dif.|Thread page :
PS : the Height of a level corresponds to its top, generally reached rapidly when it begins by the vertical iron bars, as soon as they are visible
53 |20/05?|......|233.84|3.7|68
54 |........|.......|237.54|3.7|?
55 |........|.......|241.24|3.7|?
56 |02/06|.......|244.94|3.7|69
57 |09/06|07 d.|248.64|3.7|70
58 |15/06|06 d.|252.34|3.7|71
59A|22/06|07 d.|256.04|3.7|72
59B|29/06|07 d.|259.74|3.7|73, concrete blind level
60 |13/07|15 d.|263.44|3.7|73
61 |27/07|14 d.|267.14|3.7|77
62 |08/08|12 d.|270.84|3.7|78
63 |21/08|13 d.|274.54|3.7|81
64 |28/08|07 d.|278.40|3.9|82, last level of the middle slant
65 |05/09|08 d.|281.94|3.5|83
66 |22/09|17 d.|285.64|3.7|86
67 |27/11|66 d!|289.69|4.05?|95 (instead of 289.34)
68 |17/12|20 d.|293.04|3.35?|97
69 |08/01|22 d.|297.09|4.05?|100 (instead of 296.74)
70A|12/01|04 d.|300.44|3.35?|101, concrete blind level of technical double level (construction hidden by the boards)
301,60 m of City of Capitals tower (highest in Europe)
70B|17/01|05 d.|301.60|...|103 (VitMos), very small part of iron bars
70B|22/01|10 d.|303.20|...|104 (mr. MyXiN), small part of iron bars
70B|08/02|27 d.|304.14?|3.7|106, roof height?
Evolution of this level's construction at : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2106

PS : by facility I still call the next ones "levels" even if Mr. MyXiN include them all in the last technical "storey" #70 and seems to counts now in levels since the ground + the 2 double ones #59 and 70 : so my level #71 is his #73, etc.
Above level #70 the levels have not the same height... : lower on the slant side than on the spire side ! I take the slant side as long as it seems to be build first.
I remind that, according to me and the photos, the levels #67, 69, 71 and 72 seem a bit higher (4.05 m?) and the levels #68 and 70A a bit lower (3.35 m?) than the average ones #65, 66 and 70B of normally 3.7 m each.

71 |08/02|0 d.|304.70?|.....|106 !!! (on this page mr. MyXiN said it was begun on 08/02, but if it wasn't just the roof of level #70B it could have only concerned some few centimeters... of level #71 and no more than 304.70 m) (instead of 307.60 m for mr. MyXiN)
71 |19/02|11 d.|306.30?|.....|106 (ivan.potapoff), the iron bars are really visible then
71 |27/02|19 d.|307.90?|.....|108, iron bars without roof on the slant side
71 |21/03|42 d.|308.19?|4.05?|111, roof height? THERE IS A PROBLEM : it lacks 0.59 m compared with the 307.60 m of mr. MyXiN !
72 |21/03|0 d.|309.36?|.....|111, (photo of Art-Pushka : p. 208 of russian thread), iron bars without roof on the slant side
72 |22/03|1 d.|310.80?|.....|(mr. MyXiN : p. 210 of russian thread)
72 |10/04|19 d.|312.24?|4.05?|(photo of mr. MyXiN : p. 222 of russian thread), THERE IS A PROBLEM : it lacks now 1.44 m compared with the 310.80 m of mr. MyXiN
73 |14/04|4 d.|314.50?|.....|(photo of mr. MyXiN : p. 222 of russian thread), core's iron bars without roof, first level of last slant?
73 |21/05|37 d.|314.50?|.....|119, pilars' iron bars without roof
73 |24/05|40 d.|314.50?|????|(ivan.potapoff : p. 233 of russian thread), nearly roof height? THERE IS A PROBLEM : this level can't be only 2.26 m... but more probably around 4 m !
74 |14/04|4 d.|316.40?|.....|(photo of mr. MyXiN : p. 222 of russian thread), core's iron bars without roof on the slant side built simulteanously with #73
74 |21/05|37 d.|317.40?|.....|119, pilars' iron bars without roof
So ? :
74 |??/??|318.20 m?
75 |??/??|321.90 m?
76 |??/??|325.60 m? or 326,86 m according to mr. MyXiN on February 29?
77 |??/??|329.30 m?
78 |??/??|333 m?
79 |??/??|336.70 m?
80 |??/??|340.40 m?
summit 348 m?
Eventual metal? "spire"? 380 m

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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #2395
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That means the cement framework will raise a bit more?
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Old May 31st, 2012, 01:36 AM   #2396
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That means the cement framework will raise a bit more?
Yes mr. MyXiN was perhaps right when he said on March 22 that level #72 (without its roof) had already reached 310.80 m (and perhaps even... a bit more)

Well, if nobody gives the new diagram of the modified top, I think that I'm going to give up my "calculations", if I don't want to become completely... ridiculous !

At least I tried to help to understand.

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Very nice building. Good work!
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