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Old August 15th, 2012, 05:28 PM   #2561
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I love the IFC, but those billboards in that tower ruin its beauty
Don't worry, obviously they will all be gone once the tower is completed and leased
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There has been definite progress on this tower!
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I really like how they have closed the "triangular" shaped entrance!!

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Old August 18th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #2569
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So this is official? No spire?
Not so sure:
the new diagram is not incompatible with the scale model and I remind that the spire subsists on the websites of both architects...
See : http://www.mosproject2.ru/project_popup.asp?id=113
and http://www.fw-p.com/default.aspx?pag...ct=319&focus=3

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There is something REALLY STRANGE with the numerotation of the levels on the new section of the tower, where the indicated heights seem to normally correspond to the floor of the named levels:
Why is the level, situated just above the one with the beginning of the last slant, called #70-2 when we can easily see on the section of the entire tower of July 23, below, confirmed by the real photos of the construction, that the corner of the slant is at mid-height of the level just below level #70-2, which should consequently be called 70-1, and since below again there are clearly still the 2 levels #70 (the partially blind one and the one above it)!

So are they called 70-0 and 70-(-1)!!!?

THE solution to this problem is simply IMO that because of the exceptional height of level #69, which includes as well in fact the blind concrete facade, the partially blind level above it, which has a much smaller height, is a kind of "technical level" called level #69-2 (instead of #70-(-1)), more or less linked to the one below wich is thus called #69-1 on the section's plan of the tower!

Who bets I'm right?

That's why I would be very gratefull to Kirgam if he could ask Fluor on the russian forum citytowers.ru to make the following photo of the 7 levels from #67 to #70-2 until and including the mention of its height of 313.02 m, for confirmation. THANK YOU VERY MUCH KIRGAM! Or anybody else...

Futhermore, Fluor, the one who initially gave the new section and final height of the tower in his post #3131 there http://citytowers.ru/viewtopic.php?pid=107994#p107994 (later transfered by Kirgam on the russian forum then by Brad on this one) calls the last level #76... and not #75 in his post #3130 !! But it's now established that it was an error: the last level is indeed #70-5.

In fact the photos of Fluor (or loengrin53?: clic on that name on the top left of the page) come from there: http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/loengri...641425/?page=0
Could somebody contact him through these websites to have more photos/the lacking photo of the tower's section/plan, thanks ?

That's SUCH a pity that he choosed to show the... crane above... the tower on his photos, instead of the 2 levels below level #70-2 and their exact heights, notably the one situated just below (where the last slant begins : my level #72), in order to definitely solve the competition problem with the Shard!

Nevertheless, a quasi certain estimation can be done for this level thanks to Fluor, and I'll update my post #2428 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2428 later...

FINALLY, since noboby thanked me for my efforts of calculation and near guess (at a difference of only 21.6 cm...) of the real and modified height of the tower to 338.824 m

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76 |27/08?|.....|339.34 m?|9.0| last level with a concrete blind triangular's top. More probably 339.04 m.
I do it... myself :

CONGRATULATIONS ERDNISLOED

I remind that mr. MyXiN gave 336.04 m and GoR_Vrn 343 m

barsik didn't even quoted my name when he copied my post #2514 and searches in his post #3119 there !! : http://citytowers.ru/viewtopic.php?id=27&p=125

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Nneznajka на 1 этаж меньше, смотри по этому чертежу. Где то в районе кабины крана топаут будет.

These photos show CLEARLY that there are 3 levels between level #69 and what is now called level #70-2 :

On the first one you can notice the little square board with the level's number 66 behing the green panel of glass and something VERY interesting appears thanks to the view from below: the concrete blind level is not in fact a single and entire level but hides the top of one level and the base of the following one with their separative floor. Its ceiling's face cuts the concrete facade above its mid-height, as visible through the far left window below it, and its floor's face consequently reaches the top of the concrete facade, thanks to its thickness.
It's extremely clear as well that the floor of level #70-2 at 313.02 m, visible on the new section of the tower, can't be the one below the red C on the second photo below since it would show a partially vertical facade on its top slant side, but can only be the one above the red C.
That fits with what was said before on June 27: the then top of the iron bars corresponding roughly to the top of ("my") level #75 (named 70-4 on the section plan), so around 328 m when I had calculated 327 m. Now it's 331.57 m as calculated in my post #2574 below and it lacks only the superior part of the height of ("my") level #76 (named 70-5 on the section plan).
Of course if the heights corresponding to the named levels on the section plan correspond in fact to their top and not to their floor, which would be strange... for an occidental (but that's doubtfull), the question would be solved by this other way.

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Old August 18th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #2570
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Old August 18th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #2573
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Thanks Brad and (unpronounceable ) krkseg1ops!
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According to the tower's section of Fluor, above (and post #2569), the floors are proportionally 75 cm thick and the last levels have a normal mean height of 5.18 m which should give:

Top of level #70-0 ("my" #71) : between 307.84 maximum (with 5.18 m) and more probably 308.432 m (with 4.588 m wich is the height of level #70-3 on the spire side: since the height of level #70-1 is a bit lower than the one of #70-2 on the real photos, as confirmed by the green diagram on the post below)
PS of August 22: and with certainty by this photo of the same... plan made by Art-Pushka alias Maksim Pushkin apparently architect assistant on the tower http://pushkin-maksim.moikrug.ru/:
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From Art-Pushka at http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/art-pus...544440/?page=1
Top of level #70-1 ("my" #72) : 307.84 + 5.18 = 313.02, as on the new tower's section
Top of level #70-2 ("my" #73) : 313.02 + 5.18 = 318.20, as on the section
Top of level #70-3 ("my" #74) : 318.20 + 5.18 = 323.38 (322.788 on the section because of a little lower partial floor on the spire side)
Top of level #70-4 ("my" #75) : 323.38 + 5.18 = 328.56, as on the section
Top of half level #70-5 ("my" #76') : 328.56 + 5.18 = 333.74 (in fact it falls in the void since it's a double level)
Top of level #70-5 ("my" #76") : 333.74 + 5.18 = 338.92 m, nearly the 338.824 m of the section at 9.6 cm of difference.

We have seen there http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2428 that on the March 24 photo below (the day before the first pinacle's top out of the Shard at 309.60 m), the top of the pilars covered with blue plastic were exactly at the level of the ceiling of "my" level #71 (#70-0), so 75 cm below the floor of "my" level #72 (#70-1) and between 307.84 - 0.75 = 307.09 m and more probably 308.432 - 0.75 = 307.682 m and that the concrete smaller pilars of "my" level #72 (#70-1), later erected on its very slant side between April 10?-14 and 16 were "about 1.75 m" above this ceiling's height, so between about 308.84 m and more probably 309.432 m. Compare with the photo of August 3 above.
The horizontal wood structure made to hold the ceiling of "my" level #71 (#70-0)/floor of "my" level #72 (#70-1) was build between March 31 and April 4 and the concrete floor was realised immediately after until April 10-15? between 307.84 maximum and more probably 308.432 m (this floor can as well be distinguised from the slant side on the photo of April 14 below). Finally, the transversal wall of concrete of "my" level 72 (#70-1) was built until 313.02 m, above the 309.60 m of the Shard between April 10 and 14, as visible on the third photo below, with certainly some central pilars of this level as well. Then, above it, the transversal wall of concrete of "my" level 73 (#70-2) was built between April 20 and 21 until its ceiling at 318.20 - 0.75 = 317.45 m.

But on March 24, the iron/steel structure was already a little bit lower than the ceiling of "my" level #72 (#70-1), which is consequently at about 313.02 - 0.75 = 312.27 m. Indeed, on the photo the height of this iron structure is without a doubt not inferior to half the height of "my" level #72 (#70-1) which would give 313.02 - (5.18/2) = 310.43 m. When mr. MyXiN estimated them to be at about 310.80 m on this date, he was consequently right. In fact they were between 310.43 m and 312.27 m. If you reduce this photo to 75 % and put it next to the green diagram below, the levels heights fit perfectly and you can see that the top of the iron bars is just, at scale, 2 to 4 decimeters above half of the concerned level. So, once again at the height of about 310.80 m found by mr. MyXiN...:
CONGRATULATIONS ONE MORE TIME mr. MyXiN !
I'm wondering if he didn't obtain this height from the developer or the architect themselves, or if he didn't simply got access to the tower and measured it himself from the floor...

So 309.60 m - (308.432-0.75) m = 309.60 m - 307.682 m = 1.918 m, which is obviously inferior to the real height of the iron bars of the pilar above the red PK, calculated from the blue plastic, on the photo of March 24 below, when you know that the lowest level visible on the photo (#63) is 3.7 m high and 8 mm on the photo...! It's impossible for the iron pilars' top to be under 309.60 m on the photo and there is no reason to not compare them with the steel top structure of the Shard, since they are of the same nature/material. I remind that these vertical irons bars at about 310.80 m and only about 1.20 m... higher than the Shard, appeared only on March 22 (total height of the iron bars: 1.918 + 1.2 = 3.118 m and 7 mm on the photo), so only 3... days before the first pinacle's top out of the Shard on March 25!

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The top of the Shard should correspond to the first little horizontal iron bar, about 20 cm above the blue plastic, on the pilar situated above the red KY which is second to the left. The top of the iron bars as visible just to the right of the crane on March 24, and virtually not changed, was then 1.20 m higher:
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ну я бы не назвал данный этаж типовым А так, думаю, что да. сейчас пойдёт скос
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The demonstration above was made for Sionk

Below, a comparison of photos mainly from Lohengrin53 alias Fluor (who on earth is this very helpfull... and mysterious guy? : GoR_Vrn?, Kirgam?, Sergio? ):
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On this 3D diagram, the lowest angle of the cut-off on the slant line is the exact actual height of the iron bars, and the projecting floor of level #70-5 visible on the diagram of July 23 is now just a thin line and could have in fact disappeared... with the spire! :

From Lohengrin53 at http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/loengri...30243/?page=45

We can see below the exceptionnal height of level #69 (or IMO #69-1), the 5th from the bottom. I initially thought that a square of the grid was 1 m high but that needs to be confirmed:


From Lohengrin53 alias Fluor at http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/loengri...30246/?page=45

And now the real construction of the penultimate level #70-4:

If you compare these photos with Lohengrin53 tower's section of post #2569 above, you can understand that the top horizontal iron bars attached to the vertical ones in the centre are at the height of the floor of last level #70-5, so at 328.56 m, while on both lateral edges of the tower, the superior horizontal wood structure is made to receive the ceiling of level #70-4, which is rather thick there (technical?), as visible on the section. The following vertical iron bars reach consequently an estimated height of about 331.57 m, which is the actual summit of the construction, situated at the lowest angle of the spire side cut-off, as well visible on the first 3D grey diagram above. The concrete triangular structure, not exactly at the centre and perpendicular to the photo, which is probably the stairs leading to last level #70-5, is perfectly visible too on the 3D diagram above, as well as on the green one but viewed from the opposite side of the tower. I'm wondering too if the amasingly concave ceiling of level #70-5 on the diagrams is what will be built, with an interesting visual effect, since it appears too on the diagram of July 23, or only the result of the deformation test.
So we are now at H - 7.25 m! :

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On the photo below, the floor of level #70-5 is achieved (from 26 to 37 days after the completion of the floor of level #70-4 between July 12 and 23), and its central pilars are in construction, on August 18.
So the tower should top out in very few days... with a quick erection of the final iron bars (I had forecasted August 27!) and the concrete top in or "perhaps less" than 3 weeks, because of the reduction of size of the last level:

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Filling the gap at a mean pace of 4 levels a week! :
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PS of August 21:

More precisely: one level each day! So, in about 3 months?:

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Could a russian tell me what is written on the central paper and what are the other ones for (Moscow building permits?), on the image below by Lohengrin53 alias Fluor, thanks?



From Lohengrin53 at http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/loengri...36211/?page=46

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Could a russian tell me what is written on the central paper and what are the other ones for (Moscow building permits?), on the image below by Lohengrin53 alias Fluor, thanks?
The text on the central sheet of paper says:
"Please be welcome to the lunch (out-of-doors). Lunchboxes and water are in the hall". Nothing special, actually.
Other sheets only contain lists of persons with their addresses and dates of birth.
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The text on the central sheet of paper says:
"Please be welcome to the lunch (out-of-doors). Lunchboxes and water are in the hall". Nothing special, actually.
Other sheets only contain lists of persons with their addresses and dates of birth.
Thanks Dstary. Is this list of persons posted at Moscow city hall according to you?

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Why not? After all, there is no word "privacy" in Russian language...
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Why not? After all, there is no word "privacy" in Russian language...
In France too the birth registers are civil ones (since the french revolution) and the births or mariages are consequently posted too at the town hall. What's your problem?
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Why not? After all, there is no word "privacy" in Russian language...
This is Emerengency situation. http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/wo...iref=allsearch
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