Official Manchester Thread 13 - Page 14

The Longford · July 3rd, 2006, 02:19 PM

I'm getting to like this fella more and more!

Architecty · July 3rd, 2006, 02:35 PM

Cheers Longford, I’m expecting the opposite reaction pretty soon!

ferge · July 3rd, 2006, 02:41 PM

No I'm trying to agree myself... I do admit that something needed to be done, but turning it into an overside first aid kit wasn't the answer... and I do think it looks much worse.. because at least before you could say 'post war building, it figures'... now its just 'new cladding, bleugh!'

highriser · July 3rd, 2006, 06:51 PM

i definatly dont agree , Television House looked a total mess , this reclad will make it look more modern .

The Longford · July 3rd, 2006, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highriser

i definatly dont agree , Television House looked a total mess , this reclad will make it look more modern .

The World According To Highriser.

Modern = Good
Olden days = Looks a mess

man med · July 3rd, 2006, 10:17 PM

What the latest at clippers quay -

these are old designs now I think - concepts 4 Ask - yeh ?

SleepyOne · July 3rd, 2006, 10:36 PM

Television House still looks pretty up to date even today. Probably one of Manchester's best from the period. Im no fan of this recald either. Its strange that this building is being subjected to this given its pivotal location at Manchester's administrative heart. Why are the planners so unenlightened? I think this is probably a call for the 'heritage nazi league' to calm down a bit. Rather than eulogising over every last remaining bit of tat from that period (and even some of more average examples) it should put its efforts into educating, promoting and preserving only the very best. That way, in these unenlightened times we avoid every 50s / 60s / 70s building, be it good bad or indifferent, being tarred with the same brush.

Jerv · July 3rd, 2006, 11:00 PM

Ever thought they are just bringing it up to standard? I'd be surprised if you can even get real sandstone cladding now. The windows look better now, but maybe they could have used a slightly less wank coloured panel.

highriser · July 3rd, 2006, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Longford

The World According To Highriser.

Modern = Good
Olden days = Looks a mess

I like a lot of old building's Longy , and i hate some modern one's to .

Just my opinion .

The Longford · July 4th, 2006, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highriser

I like a lot of old building's Longy , and i hate some modern one's to .
)

I know oldriser - just pulling your plonker our kid!

The Longford · July 4th, 2006, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepyOne

Television House still looks pretty up to date even today. Probably one of Manchester's best from the period. Im no fan of this recald either. Its strange that this building is being subjected to this given its pivotal location at Manchester's administrative heart. Why are the planners so unenlightened? I think this is probably a call for the 'heritage nazi league' to calm down a bit. Rather than eulogising over every last remaining bit of tat from that period (and even some of more average examples) it should put its efforts into educating, promoting and preserving only the very best. That way, in these unenlightened times we avoid every 50s / 60s / 70s building, be it good bad or indifferent, being tarred with the same brush.

We had a good go at get this 'saved' in lots of ways. We put in a listing application but it was too late. This scheme also came before the Commitee i sit on and was universally slated - not just me.
The civic society also were concerned about it and prompted this article:

http://www.manchestercivic.org.uk/forum/34/F34_05.pdf

which i of course couldnt help adding my tenpennyworth to.
This building is next to some of most important buildings in Manchester and as it was didnt really shout too much and as you have said was very good for its period. Whether people like me liked this building it or not - if this was a new build it wouldnt get through. Recladding is rarely the best option -its usually the cheapest and therefore usually ends up looking that way.

Jerv · July 4th, 2006, 12:19 AM

So we should have knocked it down?

I think that some sites are best refurbished rather than redeveloped due to the sensitive nature of their location. This building is of the right scale for it's location and a reclad and refurb is often the right call to extend the life of a good building. The colours could be less gaudy but it's a resonable effort in my opinion.

The Longford · July 4th, 2006, 01:01 AM

See my previous tedious whinging about refurb and refurb.
Without running the risk of repeating myself TV House needed a bit of light fairy dust not major reconstructive surgery.
A reclad doesnt extend the life of a building it is done purely for marketing reasons by lazy building owners.
Just look across the road to Peter House for a lesson in how to sensitively refurb a post war building and still make it marketable.

Jerv · July 4th, 2006, 10:08 AM

But if it needed new windows and panelling for airtightness, waterproofing and insulation reasons etc, then it does everything to extend the life of the building. The concrete frame is probably in good condition. Trying to replace the facade on an aesthetically like for like basis is probably untenable.

I was involved in the complete waste of money that was spent on fairy dusting the Medical and Nursing building at Salford Uni. That will need re-doing in a few years because they did half a job.

Farsight · July 4th, 2006, 01:58 PM

Oh you're being too silly, Longford. Morally opposed to recladding? Come come now. And get some colour into your tired old washed out life. Here, take my hand, step into the 21st Century. Now, when this is all done and looking like the dogs bollocks, I want you eating humble pie, you hear?

The Longford · July 4th, 2006, 03:47 PM

You can take your humble pie and stick it up your 21st century young man!

Perhaps 'morally opposed' was a bit strong.
Perhaps 'fucking hate it' is more appropiate?

rolybling · July 4th, 2006, 03:51 PM

can somebody just tell me what colour that new cladding is coz I thought it was white but others are mentioning colour-I hate being colour blind.

***b4mmy*** · July 4th, 2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolybling

can somebody just tell me what colour that new cladding is coz I thought it was white but others are mentioning colour-I hate being colour blind.

Its a greeny blue... just outside your range kev!

The Longford · July 4th, 2006, 03:56 PM

I think shortsight was talking metaphorically rolyblind!
Its a kind of mix of grey and bluey/steely white panels (wow whee!).

rolybling · July 4th, 2006, 03:57 PM

yes- very very pale shades of a colour totally throw me and if its a mixture of 2 colours and its pastel or pale in shade Im really fucked.

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July 4th, 2006, 12:19 AM	#272
Jerv Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,056 Likes (Received): 0	So we should have knocked it down? I think that some sites are best refurbished rather than redeveloped due to the sensitive nature of their location. This building is of the right scale for it's location and a reclad and refurb is often the right call to extend the life of a good building. The colours could be less gaudy but it's a resonable effort in my opinion. Last edited by Jerv; July 4th, 2006 at 12:34 AM.

July 4th, 2006, 01:01 AM	#273
The Longford Benefit Scrounger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: M20 Posts: 8,097 Likes (Received): 4	See my previous tedious whinging about refurb and refurb. Without running the risk of repeating myself TV House needed a bit of light fairy dust not major reconstructive surgery. A reclad doesnt extend the life of a building it is done purely for marketing reasons by lazy building owners. Just look across the road to Peter House for a lesson in how to sensitively refurb a post war building and still make it marketable. __________________ Visit The Trafford Spade Museum - Bring The Kids. Ample Parking and Excellent Gift Shop Right Next Door

July 4th, 2006, 03:47 PM	#276
The Longford Benefit Scrounger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: M20 Posts: 8,097 Likes (Received): 4	You can take your humble pie and stick it up your 21st century young man! Perhaps 'morally opposed' was a bit strong. Perhaps 'fucking hate it' is more appropiate? __________________ Visit The Trafford Spade Museum - Bring The Kids. Ample Parking and Excellent Gift Shop Right Next Door

July 3rd, 2006, 02:35 PM	#262
Architecty Still Lurking Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,348 Likes (Received): 0	Cheers Longford, I’m expecting the opposite reaction pretty soon!

July 3rd, 2006, 02:41 PM	#263
ferge Like 'Berg' Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wigan Posts: 5,355 Likes (Received): 102	No I'm trying to agree myself... I do admit that something needed to be done, but turning it into an overside first aid kit wasn't the answer... and I do think it looks much worse.. because at least before you could say 'post war building, it figures'... now its just 'new cladding, bleugh!'

July 3rd, 2006, 06:51 PM	#264
highriser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,239 Likes (Received): 7	i definatly dont agree , Television House looked a total mess , this reclad will make it look more modern .

July 3rd, 2006, 10:36 PM	#267
SleepyOne Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,091 Likes (Received): 0	Television House still looks pretty up to date even today. Probably one of Manchester's best from the period. Im no fan of this recald either. Its strange that this building is being subjected to this given its pivotal location at Manchester's administrative heart. Why are the planners so unenlightened? I think this is probably a call for the 'heritage nazi league' to calm down a bit. Rather than eulogising over every last remaining bit of tat from that period (and even some of more average examples) it should put its efforts into educating, promoting and preserving only the very best. That way, in these unenlightened times we avoid every 50s / 60s / 70s building, be it good bad or indifferent, being tarred with the same brush.

July 3rd, 2006, 11:00 PM	#268
Jerv Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,056 Likes (Received): 0	Ever thought they are just bringing it up to standard? I'd be surprised if you can even get real sandstone cladding now. The windows look better now, but maybe they could have used a slightly less wank coloured panel.

July 4th, 2006, 10:08 AM	#274
Jerv Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,056 Likes (Received): 0	But if it needed new windows and panelling for airtightness, waterproofing and insulation reasons etc, then it does everything to extend the life of the building. The concrete frame is probably in good condition. Trying to replace the facade on an aesthetically like for like basis is probably untenable. I was involved in the complete waste of money that was spent on fairy dusting the Medical and Nursing building at Salford Uni. That will need re-doing in a few years because they did half a job.

July 4th, 2006, 01:58 PM	#275
Farsight Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,998 Likes (Received): 24	Oh you're being too silly, Longford. Morally opposed to recladding? Come come now. And get some colour into your tired old washed out life. Here, take my hand, step into the 21st Century. Now, when this is all done and looking like the dogs bollocks, I want you eating humble pie, you hear?

July 4th, 2006, 03:51 PM	#277
rolybling CAN'T BE ARSED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,854 Likes (Received): 0	can somebody just tell me what colour that new cladding is coz I thought it was white but others are mentioning colour-I hate being colour blind. __________________ New and improved!

July 4th, 2006, 03:56 PM	#279
The Longford Benefit Scrounger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: M20 Posts: 8,097 Likes (Received): 4	I think shortsight was talking metaphorically rolyblind! Its a kind of mix of grey and bluey/steely white panels (wow whee!). __________________ Visit The Trafford Spade Museum - Bring The Kids. Ample Parking and Excellent Gift Shop Right Next Door

July 4th, 2006, 03:57 PM	#280
rolybling CAN'T BE ARSED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,854 Likes (Received): 0	yes- very very pale shades of a colour totally throw me and if its a mixture of 2 colours and its pastel or pale in shade Im really fucked. __________________ New and improved!

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