Official Manchester Thread 13 - Page 2

Manchester Planner · May 23rd, 2006, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richmond_Michael

didn't Germany become bankrupt 'so to speak' when it changed over to the euro?

West Germany got rather fucked when East Germany joined it in 1990.

Then the united Germany got rather fucked again when they joined the Euro and therefore lost all control of their economy.

I think there's lessons to learn here for England.

andysimo123 · May 23rd, 2006, 03:09 PM

Anyone remember this? I recon it could do with an update with the new projects. Go on one of you knows you want to update it or create a new one. I would do it but I dont really know where everything is.

I know there are a number of new projects that could be added.

BeardedGenius · May 23rd, 2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andysimo123

Anyone remember this? I recon it could do with an update with the new projects. Go on one of you knows you want to update it or create a new one. I would do it but I dont really know where everything is.

I know there are a number of new projects that could be added.

Yeah and if you could add names of the buildings/developments for ignorantanties like me, that'd be great!

Manc Guy · May 23rd, 2006, 03:44 PM

Yeah i 2nd that andy, it would also help me greatly in getting this model of manchester done...

Anyone help me with a location on crowngate?

Manc Guy · May 23rd, 2006, 03:45 PM

I wait see it now

rolybling · May 23rd, 2006, 04:24 PM

My apologies if this has been posted before.

All change at Urbis as city takes floor

David Ottewell

URBIS is to undergo a major transformation - with a new permanent "Manchester floor" celebrating the city.

The "gallery of urban life" is to make regular changes to its attractions, host talks and debates, extend the café into Cathedral Gardens and start city tours.

The fourth floor will become a "Manchester floor", with changing exhibitions. The first will open next month and focus on Manchester's recovery after the IRA bomb 10 years ago.

The plans for Urbis's future are revealed in a new corporate plan.

Vaughan Allen, chief executive of Urbis, said: "The next three years will see the organisation move from a static museum-model to a more dynamic exhibition centre-model, where elements on all floors are evolving and developing and where one visit is not quite like the last.

"Elements affecting the changing nature of cities, from architecture and design to popular and urban culture, will be introduced and strengthened.

"After three years Urbis has become an important part of the cultural landscape of Manchester and the region. Its reputation has spread across the world."

Urbis, which cost £30m, opened in 2002 and soon came under fire for lower than expected visitor numbers.

The new corporate plan aims to keep visitor levels above 200,000 per year.

BeardedGenius · May 23rd, 2006, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolybling

My apologies if this has been posted before.

All change at Urbis as city takes floor

David Ottewell

URBIS is to undergo a major transformation - with a new permanent "Manchester floor" celebrating the city.

The "gallery of urban life" is to make regular changes to its attractions, host talks and debates, extend the café into Cathedral Gardens and start city tours.

The fourth floor will become a "Manchester floor", with changing exhibitions. The first will open next month and focus on Manchester's recovery after the IRA bomb 10 years ago.

The plans for Urbis's future are revealed in a new corporate plan.

Vaughan Allen, chief executive of Urbis, said: "The next three years will see the organisation move from a static museum-model to a more dynamic exhibition centre-model, where elements on all floors are evolving and developing and where one visit is not quite like the last.

"Elements affecting the changing nature of cities, from architecture and design to popular and urban culture, will be introduced and strengthened.

"After three years Urbis has become an important part of the cultural landscape of Manchester and the region. Its reputation has spread across the world."

Urbis, which cost £30m, opened in 2002 and soon came under fire for lower than expected visitor numbers.

The new corporate plan aims to keep visitor levels above 200,000 per year.

Sounds good...

The Longford · May 23rd, 2006, 05:26 PM

That was my bloody idea!

andysimo123 · May 23rd, 2006, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Longford

That was my bloody idea!

Ye and its a bloody good idea just that it needs updating. That one was drawn up months ago.

kids · May 23rd, 2006, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andysimo123

Ye and its a bloody good idea just that it needs updating. That one was drawn up months ago.

I think longford was talking about the urbis.

The Longford · May 23rd, 2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kids in the riot

I think longford was talking about the urbis.

Indeed i was!
http://www.manchestercivic.org.uk/forum/33/F33_10.pdf

Metrolink · May 24th, 2006, 01:54 PM

To be honest I don't think I want the Super Casino...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5010808.stm

'Super-casino' shortlist unveiled

A shortlist of eight possible locations for Britain's first Las Vegas-style "super-casino" has been announced.
Of 27 applicants, Blackpool, Brent, Cardiff, Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle, Greenwich and Sheffield made it onto the Casino Advisory Panel list.

Only one site will eventually get the go-ahead for a super-casino with unlimited jackpots.

A further 16 licences for smaller casinos with jackpot limits of £4,000 will also be granted.

The panel's final decision is expected to be handed to ministers in December.

More than 60 local authorities have applied for licences for the smaller casinos.

Social and regeneration impacts will be considered by the Casino Advisory Panel in making its recommendations.

The local authorities which applied for super-casino licences but were rejected were Leeds, Southampton, Chesterfield, Coventry, Dartford, Dudley, Great Yarmouth, Havering, Hull, Ipswich, Middlesbrough, Midlothian, Newport, Solihull (NEC site), Southend-on-Sea, Sunderland, Thurrock, Wakefield and West Dunbartonshire.

Map of applying councils
The government originally suggested there should be eight super-casinos, but after widespread opposition and claims they would lead to a big increase in gambling addiction, the plans were scaled down to just one in order to save the Gambling Bill.

Culture secretary Tessa Jowell defended the introduction of new casinos, and said the government needed to tighten the laws on gambling.

She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have to modernise and update our gambling laws. And we've done that. And we will have the most protective legislation in the world.

"Everything that any operator in the world does will be in the context of three requirements. One is to ensure that gambling is fair, the second is that children and the vulnerable are protected and third that gambling is kept crime-free."

She said she did not think the casinos would increase problem gambling, but she would be prepared to close them down if they did.

Labour MP John Grogan said super-casinos, such as those in Atlantic City, could have a "chilling effect on the area around".

"Many businesses, hotels, smaller gambling businesses have gone out of business," he told BBC Two's Newsnight.

"So we've got to be very cautious about this. Let's test it in one area and see what happens."

He also voiced concerns about the "extremely addictive" nature of the unlimited stakes.

The advisory panel is offering licences for one super-casino, eight large casinos and eight small.

The main variation between the three is the size of the customer area allowed, the number of slot machines and size of the jackpot.

The super-casino will have a minimum customer area of 5,000 sq m and 1,250 unlimited-jackpot slot machines, while large casinos will have a minimum area of 1,000 sq m and up to 150 slot machines with a maximum jackpot of £4,000.

The small casinos will have a minimum customer area of 750 sq m, up to 80 slot machines and a jackpot of £4,000.

Wednesday's announcement follows a report from an advice charity showing it has seen a dramatic rise in the number of people seeking help for online gambling addictions - women in particular.

GamCare found the number of people using the charity for counselling had increased by 41.3% - to 6,563 people - between 2004 and 2005.

It said more than a quarter of gambling addicts using the charity's online message forum were women.

Northbeach · May 24th, 2006, 01:58 PM

Good article longoverduebooks; anything been adopted 2 years on?

Quote:

Region shortlisted in casino bid.
by Desmond Hankesheef.

Blackpool and East Manchester have both been shortlisted to host the UK's first "super-casino".

The government revealed the provisional shortlist of eight areas bidding to build the casino on Wednesday.

Brent, Cardiff, Glasgow, Greenwich, Newcastle and Sheffield are the other successful bidders.
Council leader Richard Leese said it was a "robust location" for a regional casino.

Artist's impression of the planned casino and conference quarter

"We are delighted that the independent panel has endorsed this assessment and we will continue to work hard to develop our proposals to ensure we put the best possible case forward to secure the pilot," he said.

"The proposed regional casino site will also contain an entertainment complex with a range of facilities such as a multi-purpose arena, a swimming pool, an urban sports venue, restaurants, bars, a nightclub and a hotel."

The list was drawn up from 27 applications made by councils to host a regional casino under the terms of the new Gambling Act.

The act recently passed by Parliament will allow three new types of casinos to operate in Britain. One Las Vegas-style "regional casino" will be permitted, along with eight large and eight small casinos.

However, oppponents have voiced off asking whether we really want to see such large scale gambling as seen below:

Northbeach · May 24th, 2006, 02:00 PM

You trumped me kurt.

Metrolink · May 24th, 2006, 02:04 PM

Personally I don't want any of these casinos to come to Manchester, I think in the long term they will cause more problems than they will solve.

The only way I could be convienced by the merit is if there was a huge tax put on the casino which went to pay for the Eastlands tram line.

P.S. Waiting for the scousers to complain about Manchester getting statist help again at their expense (despite them not trying to get one).

BeardedGenius · May 24th, 2006, 02:33 PM

I don't want the casino to come to Manchester either - I like nice buildings, but not if they house social ills.

RanjitSingh · May 25th, 2006, 01:17 PM

It should go to Blackpool. The town exists for entertainment and considering its long time regression this could well be the scheme to revitilise the place. Manchester doesn't (nor any of the other shortlisted towns/cities) need this.

Legin · May 25th, 2006, 03:23 PM

Couldn't agree more Ranjit - I don't think we actually need a mega casino even looking at it from a prosperity point of view - I've not looked at the short list but I would be surprised if there was one planned in the centre of London. We took the labour party conference off Blackpool - I doubt they will ever get it back - let's leave them to concentrate on the casino's and leisure industry which is their lifeblood - and let us instead concentate on being a world class conference destination - as mention earlier we are climbing up the world conference league table.

Ephemera · May 25th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Hi! I haven't posted before, so please don't bite my head off...but,

These super-casinos are just the worst idea ever, and are only 'super' for those who invest in them. We wouldn't let an industry dump pollution in our rivers for the sake of their profits, so why should we let casinos dump social ills in our town?

I don't go in betting shops all that often, but I'm guessing they aren't full of socially and economically fully-functioning individuals. A bit strong maybe, but you know it's the truth.

neil · May 25th, 2006, 05:50 PM

I'm a manager for a betting shop, and I'm in work right now. I find your comment totally unacceptible. I have just served a Doctor and a Solicitor with in the space of an hour, so if there not socially and economically fully functioning individuals then who is???

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May 23rd, 2006, 03:09 PM	#22
andysimo123 wind-up merchant Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,877 Likes (Received): 8	Anyone remember this? I recon it could do with an update with the new projects. Go on one of you knows you want to update it or create a new one. I would do it but I dont really know where everything is. I know there are a number of new projects that could be added.

May 23rd, 2006, 03:44 PM	#24
Manc Guy I'm sure ting 'blad'! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,749 Likes (Received): 2	Yeah i 2nd that andy, it would also help me greatly in getting this model of manchester done... Anyone help me with a location on crowngate?

May 23rd, 2006, 03:45 PM	#25
Manc Guy I'm sure ting 'blad'! Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,749 Likes (Received): 2	I wait see it now

May 23rd, 2006, 04:24 PM	#26
rolybling CAN'T BE ARSED Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,859 Likes (Received): 0	My apologies if this has been posted before. All change at Urbis as city takes floor David Ottewell URBIS is to undergo a major transformation - with a new permanent "Manchester floor" celebrating the city. The "gallery of urban life" is to make regular changes to its attractions, host talks and debates, extend the café into Cathedral Gardens and start city tours. The fourth floor will become a "Manchester floor", with changing exhibitions. The first will open next month and focus on Manchester's recovery after the IRA bomb 10 years ago. The plans for Urbis's future are revealed in a new corporate plan. Vaughan Allen, chief executive of Urbis, said: "The next three years will see the organisation move from a static museum-model to a more dynamic exhibition centre-model, where elements on all floors are evolving and developing and where one visit is not quite like the last. "Elements affecting the changing nature of cities, from architecture and design to popular and urban culture, will be introduced and strengthened. "After three years Urbis has become an important part of the cultural landscape of Manchester and the region. Its reputation has spread across the world." Urbis, which cost £30m, opened in 2002 and soon came under fire for lower than expected visitor numbers. The new corporate plan aims to keep visitor levels above 200,000 per year.

May 24th, 2006, 01:54 PM	#32
Metrolink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,738 Likes (Received): 0	To be honest I don't think I want the Super Casino... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5010808.stm 'Super-casino' shortlist unveiled A shortlist of eight possible locations for Britain's first Las Vegas-style "super-casino" has been announced. Of 27 applicants, Blackpool, Brent, Cardiff, Glasgow, Manchester, Newcastle, Greenwich and Sheffield made it onto the Casino Advisory Panel list. Only one site will eventually get the go-ahead for a super-casino with unlimited jackpots. A further 16 licences for smaller casinos with jackpot limits of £4,000 will also be granted. The panel's final decision is expected to be handed to ministers in December. More than 60 local authorities have applied for licences for the smaller casinos. Social and regeneration impacts will be considered by the Casino Advisory Panel in making its recommendations. The local authorities which applied for super-casino licences but were rejected were Leeds, Southampton, Chesterfield, Coventry, Dartford, Dudley, Great Yarmouth, Havering, Hull, Ipswich, Middlesbrough, Midlothian, Newport, Solihull (NEC site), Southend-on-Sea, Sunderland, Thurrock, Wakefield and West Dunbartonshire. Map of applying councils The government originally suggested there should be eight super-casinos, but after widespread opposition and claims they would lead to a big increase in gambling addiction, the plans were scaled down to just one in order to save the Gambling Bill. Culture secretary Tessa Jowell defended the introduction of new casinos, and said the government needed to tighten the laws on gambling. She told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have to modernise and update our gambling laws. And we've done that. And we will have the most protective legislation in the world. "Everything that any operator in the world does will be in the context of three requirements. One is to ensure that gambling is fair, the second is that children and the vulnerable are protected and third that gambling is kept crime-free." She said she did not think the casinos would increase problem gambling, but she would be prepared to close them down if they did. Labour MP John Grogan said super-casinos, such as those in Atlantic City, could have a "chilling effect on the area around". "Many businesses, hotels, smaller gambling businesses have gone out of business," he told BBC Two's Newsnight. "So we've got to be very cautious about this. Let's test it in one area and see what happens." He also voiced concerns about the "extremely addictive" nature of the unlimited stakes. The advisory panel is offering licences for one super-casino, eight large casinos and eight small. The main variation between the three is the size of the customer area allowed, the number of slot machines and size of the jackpot. The super-casino will have a minimum customer area of 5,000 sq m and 1,250 unlimited-jackpot slot machines, while large casinos will have a minimum area of 1,000 sq m and up to 150 slot machines with a maximum jackpot of £4,000. The small casinos will have a minimum customer area of 750 sq m, up to 80 slot machines and a jackpot of £4,000. Wednesday's announcement follows a report from an advice charity showing it has seen a dramatic rise in the number of people seeking help for online gambling addictions - women in particular. GamCare found the number of people using the charity for counselling had increased by 41.3% - to 6,563 people - between 2004 and 2005. It said more than a quarter of gambling addicts using the charity's online message forum were women.

May 24th, 2006, 02:00 PM	#34
Northbeach A roussos is for life. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,176 Likes (Received): 0	You trumped me kurt.

May 24th, 2006, 02:04 PM	#35
Metrolink Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,738 Likes (Received): 0	Personally I don't want any of these casinos to come to Manchester, I think in the long term they will cause more problems than they will solve. The only way I could be convienced by the merit is if there was a huge tax put on the casino which went to pay for the Eastlands tram line. P.S. Waiting for the scousers to complain about Manchester getting statist help again at their expense (despite them not trying to get one).

May 25th, 2006, 03:23 PM	#38
Legin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Manchester Posts: 314 Likes (Received): 0	Couldn't agree more Ranjit - I don't think we actually need a mega casino even looking at it from a prosperity point of view - I've not looked at the short list but I would be surprised if there was one planned in the centre of London. We took the labour party conference off Blackpool - I doubt they will ever get it back - let's leave them to concentrate on the casino's and leisure industry which is their lifeblood - and let us instead concentate on being a world class conference destination - as mention earlier we are climbing up the world conference league table.

May 25th, 2006, 04:02 PM	#39
Ephemera Not even Doom music... Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 351 Likes (Received): 0	Hi! I haven't posted before, so please don't bite my head off...but, These super-casinos are just the worst idea ever, and are only 'super' for those who invest in them. We wouldn't let an industry dump pollution in our rivers for the sake of their profits, so why should we let casinos dump social ills in our town? I don't go in betting shops all that often, but I'm guessing they aren't full of socially and economically fully-functioning individuals. A bit strong maybe, but you know it's the truth.