Official Manchester Thread 13

[chasedwar]

Originally Posted by The Longford

Yeah God forbid poor people should be able to find somewhere to live.
They have got such a cheek haven't they? If they are not providing 'key services' they are cluttering up our beautiful middle class city centre with all their social housing and lottery tickets and fags and alco pops and pit bull terriers and the like.
I shall be writing to the Daily Mail to complain!

Champagne socialists

there are thousands of people working in retail in the city centre on the minimum wage that will have to work to 68. to fund the early retirement of these 'key workers' with a lovely pension scheme at 60.
(did u know that 28% of your council tax goes to council worker pension schemes.)

Teachers, police, firemen must be on over 20k minimum. even qualified nurses must be close to that. Social workers, parole officers are on 20k too.

there must again be thousands of office workers in the city that dont get near these wages, yet they are not entitled to anything. they have to fund it.

[Ephemera]

Originally Posted by chasedwar

Champagne socialists

there are thousands of people working in retail in the city centre on the minimum wage that will have to work to 68. to fund the early retirement of these 'key workers' with a lovely pension scheme at 60.
(did u know that 28% of your council tax goes to council worker pension schemes.)

Teachers, police, firemen must be on over 20k minimum. even qualified nurses must be close to that. Social workers, parole officers are on 20k too.

there must again be thousands of office workers in the city that dont get near these wages, yet they are not entitled to anything. they have to fund it.

Unless you earn a great deal of money, you can't fund anything yourself, whether that be retirement, schooling, healthcare and so on. We all pay into a pot together and get a fair share out. It's called socialism.

Shop and office workers are to blame for their own financial situation. If they would only kill their bosses, then the profits could be socialised and used for the workers' benefit.

[jrb]

Off to the Property Show. If theres anything exciting I'll post it tonight.

Anyone want to buy a one bedroom apartment in Tirana, Albania?

[The Longford]

Originally Posted by chasedwar

(did u know that 28% of your council tax goes to council worker pension schemes.)

That load of Daily Mail promoted tosh was discounted within minutes of the 'facts' hitting the news stand.
One of the Mail's brilliant hacks had forgotten a decimal point!

[Caiman]

Ah, once again the Daily Mail proves itself as a quality newspaper!

Excuse me while I regurgitate, then go for a number 2 and wipe my arse with it.

[Isaac Newell]

Providing housing for so called key workers is a problem because what happens if a key worker loses his/her job. Does the house have to be returned ? In addition a house sold or rented at less than market price can be sold on or sublet at the going rate. Not fair if you are not classed as a key worker but are earning less than these so called key workers. Incidentally a teacher is of less use to me than a checkout.

Surely the answer is to provide subsidised financing rather than subsidised housing, rather like a student loan that can come directly out of a wage packet. However this presents another problem of fairness because once again an unfair advantage is gained when selling on at the market price.

Unless the borrower is compelled to share in the profit of the sale, rather like Islamic banking.

For example key worker buys flat for 100,000 with a subsidised loan of 100k.
Key worker then sells for 150,000. Is it fair that this person gets a 50,000 windfall.

Should they pay the 50,000 back to the goverment as interest ? Yes and no. If the flat is now worth 150,000 then everything else is likely to have gone up in price. If the worker moves to a cheaper area and pays 130,000 then I would compell him/her to pay back 20,000. However if the worker moves up to a 170,000 property I would compell them to borrow the other 20,000 at the market rate.

It's getting too complicated for me now but there is a germ of an idea there somewhere.

[gd]

In reply to Chased War...

"Lovely pension", i'm sorry to inform you that as a teacher i get 1/80 of my final salary for every year i work. These days that's quite good but not brilliant.

Most companies used to offer better schemes but as everyone knows, most have scrapped them. I don't think i'd have been in a position of envy (in pension terms) 15 - 20 years ago but now I'm supposed to feel guilty for having a pension (to which i pay a considerable amount of MY salary into may i add).

You shouldn't knock 'keyworkers' for having, what was considered, the norm a few years back.

[Jerv]

There is no denying that teachers get an easier ride than people in the cut throat private sector.

For instance:
No unversity fees
Financial funding at university
Shorter working hours
65 (?) days leave per year

And a pension of at least 18k a year (in todays money) aint that bad on top of the state pension.

[The Longford]

There is no denying that teachers get an easier ride than people in the cut throat private sector.

As an ex teacher i can assure you it is no 'easy ride'!


For instance:
No unversity fees
I must have imagined mine then and i shall be ringing the Student Loan Company first thing to tell them i wont be paying anything back from now on.
Financial funding at university
Only a recent thing and you could consider it payment whilst training - imagine any other job that didnt pay you whilst you trained for it.

Shorter working hours
What 8 in the morning until at least 5 in school not including extra curricular activites and then another couple of hours marking at home?
65 (?) days leave per year
A rare perk but some of that is used up lesson planning and collecting resources.


And a pension of at least 18k a year (in todays money) aint that bad on top of the state pension.
If you make it to pension age before dying of stress or getting stabbed by a 14 year old wannabe gangster!

[rolybling]

Originally Posted by Jon Reid

Ah, once again the Daily Mail proves itself as a quality newspaper!

Excuse me while I regurgitate, then go for a number 2 and wipe my arse with it.

It's not even good enough to do that with, It's worse than some of the red tops and thats saying something. I prefer Andrex anyway, soft strong and very very long. The Mail is a Tory rag and should be treated as such.

[M13]

Attended the Theatre Titanik Insect show last night at Castlefield Arena (you may have seen it advertised all over the city- great show- fire, water, lights etc etc).

My point is why is this venue so underutilised? There must have been nearly 1500 people enjoying themselves on each of two evenings- surely a more extensive programme could be developed to make use of such a great city space? Or are there logistical/financial restrictions that anybody knows of that are prevented this?

[highriser]

Yeah i went there last night really enjoyed it , really good outside venue Caslefield Arena, D-Percussion is staged there in july i think.

Should have more stuff like this going on, do you remember the StreetsAhead festival a couple of years ago , that was great .

[Jerv]

Originally Posted by The Longford

There is no denying that teachers get an easier ride than people in the cut throat private sector.

As an ex teacher i can assure you it is no 'easy ride'!


For instance:
No unversity fees
I must have imagined mine then and i shall be ringing the Student Loan Company first thing to tell them i wont be paying anything back from now on.
Financial funding at university
Only a recent thing and you could consider it payment whilst training - imagine any other job that didnt pay you whilst you trained for it.

Shorter working hours
What 8 in the morning until at least 5 in school not including extra curricular activites and then another couple of hours marking at home?
65 (?) days leave per year
A rare perk but some of that is used up lesson planning and collecting resources.


And a pension of at least 18k a year (in todays money) aint that bad on top of the state pension.
If you make it to pension age before dying of stress or getting stabbed by a 14 year old wannabe gangster!

Get with the program codger. You qualified when there wasn't a government incentive to recruit i.e. no uni fees.

Anyway, arnt you a house husband? Can we beleive a house husband who talks about hard work (Disclaimer: tongue in cheek snide remark not to be taken seriously).

[Jerv]

Originally Posted by The Longford

Only a recent thing and you could consider it payment whilst training - imagine any other job that didnt pay you whilst you trained for it.

Nurses, Lawyers, Doctors, Tharchitects, Engineers....in fact anything but teachers.

"Those who can, Teach"
That'll be anyone then as both of my teacher muckers got 2 E's at A-Level.

[gd]

Jerv - "There is no denying that teachers get an easier ride than people in the cut throat private sector."


I almost cried myself laughing at that! I worked in the private sector for many years and I could get away with murder in many different companies. However, every thing I do in school is securitised, observed, examined etc and you’re expected to get results.

I give up 7 full weekends a year running Duke of Edinburgh for teenagers for no pay at all and 2 evenings a week rock climbing. I am more than happy to do this and love doing it, but most people would happily avoid 4 -5 teenagers stood on street corner let alone imagine talking to 20 – 30 of them at a time – it isn’t certainly isn’t an easy ride.

[The Longford]

Originally Posted by Jerv

Anyway, arnt you a house husband? Can we beleive a house husband who talks about hard work (Disclaimer: tongue in cheek snide remark not to be taken seriously).

Are you joking - its a bloody doddle!
Get up - whack CBEEBIES on - scatter various sugary drinks and snacks around the floor for child to forage for as and when - go back to sleep on the sofa until dinner time - get child dressed and spend all afternoon hanging around the perfume counters in department stores flirting with the broody shop assistants!

BTW i'm a bitter and twisted ex teacher cos they started paying the year after i qualified - so just ignore me!

[M13]

Originally Posted by highriser

Yeah i went there last night really enjoyed it , really good outside venue Caslefield Arena, D-Percussion is staged there in july i think.

Should have more stuff like this going on, do you remember the StreetsAhead festival a couple of years ago , that was great .

I've read about it- unfornuately 2 years ago Manchester was just a place up north to my naive brain. I was wondering what the train passengers over the viaduct were thinking when they turned to see a giant egg-spewing, blazing ant and loads of men dressed as what can only be described as giant wood lice...!

[jrb]

Casino application for Didsbury.

079432/FU/2006/S2 12/05/2006

Parrswood Entertainment Centre
Kingsway
Manchester
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[macc]

where's the thread for that building behind telecoms house (I think thats what its called. The S shaped on at the back of Piccadilly)? The building with the 2 big cranes up. Its very prominient from Platforms 13/14/15/whatever-the-outside-platforms-are.

[dirtyred619]

I don't think its got a thread yet.